<div dir="ltr">I am Peter Kanold, the author of the Y14.5-2018 font that's used by<br>FreeCAD. I have dedicated the Y14.5-2018 font to the public domain using<br>the CC0 1.0 mark. <div><br></div><div>My intent is that this font should be free to use, modify, and redistribute for all personal and commercial uses.</div><div><br></div><div>Peter Kanold</div><div>Waterloo, Ontario</div><div>Canada</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 17, 2025 at 11:25 AM Joseph Spiros <<a href="mailto:joseph@josephspiros.com">joseph@josephspiros.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Peter,<br>
<br>
My apologies, after all of that, I made an error in the e-mail address <br>
for the Debian bug, as the original bug was archived, so it may reject <br>
any replies. If you do want to e-mail a declaration (I've included this <br>
suggestion thinking it would be easiest for you), you can use <br>
"<a href="mailto:1091771@bugs.debian.org" target="_blank">1091771@bugs.debian.org</a>" as the e-mail address, as that is the current <br>
most relevant bug in question.<br>
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<a href="https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1091771" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1091771</a><br>
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Joseph Spiros<br>
<a href="mailto:joseph@josephspiros.com" target="_blank">joseph@josephspiros.com</a><br>
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On 2025-08-17 9:59 am, Joseph Spiros wrote:<br>
> Hi Peter,<br>
> <br>
> I hope this message finds you well. I'm reaching out regarding your<br>
> Y14.5-2018 font, as used in FreeCAD. First, and above all, I'd like to<br>
> thank you for sharing your work so generously.<br>
> <br>
> Here's a summary of the situation:<br>
> <br>
> Debian <<a href="https://www.debian.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.debian.org/</a>> can't include your Y14.5-2018 font<br>
> with its distribution of FreeCAD without either (a) an explicit and<br>
> unlimited license that grants everyone the right to both modify and<br>
> redistribute it, or (b) an unambiguous dedication of the font to the<br>
> public domain.<br>
> <br>
> A perceived ambiguity regarding the font's license has caused Debian<br>
> to exclude it from their FreeCAD package until that ambiguity can be<br>
> resolved.<br>
> <br>
> As best as I can tell, it seems you may have intended to dedicate your<br>
> font to the public domain. If so, you might be able to definitively<br>
> resolve this issue with a simple restatement using the CC0 1.0 mark<br>
> <<a href="https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/</a>>.<br>
> <br>
> The easiest solution could be to reply to this message (or write a new<br>
> one), include "<a href="mailto:1090833@bugs.debian.org" target="_blank">1090833@bugs.debian.org</a>" as a recipient (in "To" or<br>
> "Cc"), and say something like:<br>
> <br>
> "I'm (your name here), the author of the Y14.5-2018 font that's used<br>
> by FreeCAD. I have dedicated the Y14.5-2018 font to the public domain<br>
> using the CC0 1.0 mark. To view a copy of this mark, visit<br>
> <a href="https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/</a>."<br>
> <br>
> That should go directly into Debian’s bug tracker, and might suffice<br>
> to allow Y14.5-2018 to be included.<br>
> <br>
> ====<br>
> (More elaborate details follow)<br>
> ====<br>
> <br>
> I know you have already been contacted about licensing your font to<br>
> FreeCAD, so I'm sorry to be raising the matter again. And, to be<br>
> clear, I am not personally affiliated with either FreeCAD or Debian,<br>
> other than being a happy user of both. But, I've been monitoring this<br>
> issue, and I have some familiarity with free software licensing, so I<br>
> volunteered to contact you to see if this can be resolved.<br>
> <br>
> Debian’s Free Software Guidelines (the "DFSG")<br>
> <<a href="https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines</a>> require that all<br>
> users have the freedom to use, modify, and redistribute both the<br>
> original and modified versions of the works included in Debian. Your<br>
> website’s statement ("free to use for all personal and commercial<br>
> applications... copying and redistribution... credit appreciated but<br>
> not necessary") is generous and clear in spirit, but it doesn't<br>
> explicitly mention modification.<br>
> <br>
> When you corresponded with Chris (WandererFan) from the FreeCAD<br>
> project, you kindly granted them permission to modify and<br>
> redistribute. However, that grant was limited to them and related<br>
> entities, not everyone as required by the DFSG.<br>
> <br>
> Although I did notice the font file's metadata refers to the public<br>
> domain, the reference to the public domain is shortly followed by a<br>
> copyright statement, which can potentially contradict a public domain<br>
> dedication, as works in the public domain are by definition those that<br>
> have no copyright associated with them. As well, your<br>
> website--apparently the primary distribution source of the<br>
> font--doesn't make reference to the public domain itself--only the<br>
> aforementioned permissions--and otherwise specifies "all rights<br>
> reserved" in the footer.<br>
> <br>
> The public domain is, unfortunately, complicated by the fact that not<br>
> all copyright regimes around the world recognize the concept or allow<br>
> copyright holders to relinquish their rights in that way. The CC0 mark<br>
> is a helpful aid, as it provides a contingency for those situations.<br>
> That contingency gives organizations like Debian more confidence in<br>
> public domain dedications that include the CC0 mark than those that<br>
> don't. If you'd like to know more, Creative Commons' website goes into<br>
> more detail: <<a href="https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/CC0_FAQ" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/CC0_FAQ</a>>.<br>
> <br>
> If my understanding of your intent is in error, and you'd prefer to<br>
> license the font liberally rather than dedicating it to the public<br>
> domain and relinquishing your copyright entirely, another simple<br>
> solution would be to license your font under a license Debian is<br>
> already familiar with and has confirmed to be DFSG-compliant.<br>
> <br>
> One example is the SIL Open Font License (OFL-1.1)<br>
> <<a href="https://openfontlicense.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://openfontlicense.org/</a>>, a short, font-specific license that<br>
> allows use, modification, and redistribution, commercially or<br>
> otherwise, which would seem (other than the addition of modification)<br>
> to be consistent with your website's stated permissions.<br>
> <br>
> I would also be happy to look into whether other popular<br>
> DFSG-compliant licenses could address any concerns you might share<br>
> with me, and suggest options for you to consider, if neither a public<br>
> domain dedication nor the OFL are satisfactory.<br>
> <br>
> I must disclaim, however, that while I am familiar enough with many of<br>
> these concepts to feel comfortable licensing my own work, or to share<br>
> my informal understanding with others, I am not a lawyer. If you<br>
> aren't comfortable licensing, or making public domain declarations, on<br>
> your own behalf without legal advice, you should consult with a<br>
> lawyer, because I am not one, and this isn't legal advice. :-)<br>
> <br>
> If you are willing to help solve this issue, you might want to update<br>
> your website and the font metadata to reflect any potential changes<br>
> for clarity. But, even if you don't want to deal with that, a simple<br>
> e-mail to the Debian issue with a clear declaration should be<br>
> sufficient. Whatever works best for you.<br>
> <br>
> Thank you for your time, and again for your generosity.<br>
> <br>
> Best wishes,<br>
> Joseph Spiros<br>
> <br>
> P.S. - This situation is currently being tracked in Debian's bug<br>
> tracking database:<br>
> <a href="https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1090833" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1090833</a> as well as<br>
> FreeCAD's GitHub issue tracker:<br>
> <a href="https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/issues/18622" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD/issues/18622</a><br>
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