<div dir="ltr">I wonder weather Eben Moglen uses FreedomBox and what does he think of it.<div>I also wonder why FreedomBox is all about self-hosting, but it does not host itself.</div><div>For example YunoHost, which is another Debian based alternative, at least is hosting</div><div>itself and does not rely on Debian infrastructure for everything. Relying on Debian</div><div>infrastructure, from the technical point of view, is not much different than relying</div><div>on Google infrastructure. They are both centralized solutions. If you claim that</div><div>Google is evil but Debian is not, who can guaranty this? Who can guaranty that</div><div>this will be the true in the future as well? Who can guaranty that one day Microsoft</div><div>will not acquire Debian as it acquired Ubuntu and GitHub?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Dashamir</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 8:56 AM Joseph Nuthalapati <<a href="mailto:njoseph@thoughtworks.com">njoseph@thoughtworks.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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Chuck,<br>
<br>
This is something that I think about all the time. Self-hosting<br>
as a solution is still not in the reach of non-technical users.<br>
This is one of the problems that FreedomBox aims to solve.<br>
<br>
There are a few barriers to overcome, even for privacy-conscious<br>
people:<br>
- - People still believe that it takes significant computing resources to host servers.<br>
- - Even those who are capable of self-hosting don't do so as they believe it takes too much time and energy to maintain their own servers.<br>
- - Fear of losing all their work due to some freak accident like a software update failure, disk failure etc.<br>
<br>
FreedomBox hosted on a single board computer solves the first<br>
two. Building a good backup system will solve the third. We are<br>
currently working on it.<br>
<br>
FreedomBox is currently not very popular even within the free<br>
software community. We have to do more marketing, give talks at<br>
conferences etc.<br>
<br>
Though it's been 7 or 8 years, FreedomBox hasn't yet fully<br>
achieved Eben Moglen's vision. We have yet to release a consumer<br>
appliance that can be just plugged in and works seamlessly. We<br>
will soon have a demo server and AWS cloud images for trying out<br>
FreedomBox before taking the step of installing it at home.<br>
<br>
There are billions of people using Android phones. If we make<br>
FreedomBox just as easy to use, then we might achieve a lot of<br>
adoption. BTW (unrelated), we are working on making a companion<br>
Android app too for FreedomBox.<br>
<br>
There was a recent fediverse thread on self-hosting where people<br>
suggested that community hosting is a better model than<br>
self-hosting. We should work on that as well.<br>
<a href="https://social.masto.host/@njoseph/100299477861821188" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://social.masto.host/@njoseph/100299477861821188</a><br>
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Some things I think we need to do to have more adoption:<br>
- - Make installation easier (appliances, cloud images, install fests etc.)<br>
- - Make using FreedomBox on a day to day basis easier (web app and Android app)<br>
- - Have a few really popular applications available (MediaWiki, Mastodon, Wordpress etc.)<br>
- - Highlight the convenience and utility aspects of FreedomBox along with the privacy and security aspects<br>
- - Make FreedomBox cool and not boring so that we attract millennials<br>
- - Have big public deployments like framasoft/disroot to show off what FreedomBox can do<br>
- - Endorsements by people popular in this space and more conference talks<br>
<br>
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Adrian Gropper <<a href="mailto:agropper@healthurl.com" target="_blank">agropper@healthurl.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi Chuck,<br>
> <br>
> I completely agree with you!<br>
> <br>
> You might check out some of the following groups that I also<br>
> belong to:<br>
> <br>
> - <a href="https://blogs.harvard.edu/vrm/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blogs.harvard.edu/vrm/</a><br>
> - <a href="https://diglife.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://diglife.com</a><br>
> - <a href="https://mydata.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mydata.org</a><br>
> <br>
> Adrian<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 6:33 PM Chuck <<a href="mailto:rextv9@gmail.com" target="_blank">rextv9@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Hi,<br>
> ><br>
> > I have been watching the Freedom Box initiative since February 2010, when<br>
> > Eben Moglin first kicked it off. With the new public awareness of the lack<br>
> > of privacy using social media the time is ripe to reinvigorate the public<br>
> > discussion about the merits of Freedom Box. Jaron Lanier author of delete<br>
> > your social media accounts has had a lot of media coverage recently.<br>
> ><br>
> > Lanier TED Talk: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ-PUXPVlos" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ-PUXPVlos</a><br>
> > Lanier appearance on ABC's the VIEW:<br>
> > <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSGT1dvDUYo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSGT1dvDUYo</a><br>
> > Lanier's book:<br>
> > <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Arguments-Deleting-Social-Media-Accounts/dp/125019668X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1530394793&sr=8-1&keywords=jaron+lanier&dpID=41A5b9TMwwL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Arguments-Deleting-Social-Media-Accounts/dp/125019668X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1530394793&sr=8-1&keywords=jaron+lanier&dpID=41A5b9TMwwL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch</a><br>
> ><br>
> > This forum is primarily focused on Technical discussions, is there a<br>
> > better forum to make this proposal?<br>
> ><br>
> > The advertiser based, centralized social media systems are not the answer<br>
> > for the future. I suggest that having install fests, hands-on<br>
> > opportunities to install Freedom Box would go a long way towards getting<br>
> > public adoption. The <a href="http://freedombox.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">freedombox.org</a> website has material that is over a<br>
> > year old. Having worked with non-technical people the Freedom Box<br>
> > resources currently available appeal to technically competent computer<br>
> > users -- how we bridge that gap could have a tremendous effect on Freedom<br>
> > Box adoption.<br>
> ><br>
> > I welcome your thoughts, comments, and suggestions.<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards,<br>
> > Chuck Jewell<br>
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- -- <br>
Regards<br>
Joseph Nuthalapati<br>
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