<div dir="ltr"><div>Some more replies trickled in, a few seemingly trolling in the "Other" field (no, "servant" is not a good replacement for "slave" today), and others cementing the victory of the modest and reasonable "primary/secondary" pair.</div><div><br></div><div>I will amend the wordings in prepared PRs that tentatively used "manager/subordinate" as the replacement (which did come in second in the poll) but otherwise intend to keep the changes proposed earlier and merge when I'm done. Last call for comments, "bar is closing in 15 minutes" ;)</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/networkupstools/nut/pull/989">https://github.com/networkupstools/nut/pull/989</a></div><div><a href="https://github.com/networkupstools/nut/pull/990">https://github.com/networkupstools/nut/pull/990</a></div><div>
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<a href="https://github.com/networkupstools/nut/pull/992">https://github.com/networkupstools/nut/pull/992</a></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks to all,</div><div>Jim Klimov<br></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 3:25 PM Jim Klimov <<a href="mailto:jimklimov@gmail.com">jimklimov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">So, for the past couple of days the SurveyMonkey results are not changing, with 13 replies overall. Should we wait for more or everyone passionate enough has already spoken? In practice I'd likely follow up on a weekend anyway, but... the weekend is coming! :)<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Currently we have a clear leader pair that collected almost half the votes (6), two votes were to keep old words in place - alas, nowadays doing nothing (and breaking nothing) does not seem to be a viable option.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also reminding that there are PRs open for the docs/comments changes, some closely related to this subject (#992 along with code) and some bystanders that "fell under a hot hand" (#989, 990, 991) - feel free to review the proposals if they make sense or should be improved ;)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks to all,</div><div dir="auto">Jim</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 13:41 Jim Klimov <<a href="mailto:jimklimov%2Bnut@gmail.com" target="_blank">jimklimov+nut@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Thank you for the suggestions, keep them coming :)<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">To me, I think I considered pub-sub but it did not quite fit - gotta refresh my memory by code re-reading (or expert comments) - I found I'm vague now on who hits the big red button to shout that a particular power source device got critical - the upsmon in "master" role, or "upsd" that talks to all subscribed (indeed!) upsmon's and just some choose to stop asap (if they won't have enough PSUs powered) and others wait for them to pull the plug on UPS afterwards :)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So if in a way upsd is a message broker between many clients actively emitting commands, pub-sub is an option. If upsd emits messages differently based on roles of registered clients - not so much.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Note also that there technically can be multiple machines with connections and ability to bring the UPS down (or several UPSes) and perhaps configured so for redundancy, so in general case it is neither a 1:1 nor 1:many relationship.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jim</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 05:05 Douglas Parsons <<a href="mailto:doug@parsonsemail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">doug@parsonsemail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>There is, </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publish%E2%80%93subscribe_pattern" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publish%E2%80%93subscribe_pattern</a><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I said I stayed away from it because of the Cisco link. Others as well as you are free to persue it. I was just making suggestions.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 10:43 PM Baker, Lawrence M <<a href="mailto:baker@usgs.gov" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">baker@usgs.gov</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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That is terminology from Computer Science. (Decades ago?) It is familiar. Not invented by Cisco. As in, producer-consumer, from the same time. Those were all different paradigms for client-server relationships. There must be Wikipedia citations that can
be consulted. As I recall, there were distinctions, such as, producer-consumer were tightly bound, where the producer had no purpose without a consumer. In publisher-subscriber, subscribers registered their interest in what the publisher had to say, but
were neither required to exist at all, or might ignore what was being published.<br>
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The terminology I recall for that one-to-many relationship is publisher-subscriber.
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