<div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">offlineimap is usually installed by advanced users and we've always made<br>
this assumption, at least. We didn't feel the hard requirement to<br>
explain why we need to do this but just share a reminder of the expected<br>
command to get this done quickly.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>How do you know ? (I am sorry, i do marketing and my guess is that this is just an assumption.)<br></div><div>offlineimap is the perfect tool for "everyone" to backup their Mails. You made it so <br></div><div>easy todo it! The only hurdle is to first explain it correctly and then to have the<br></div><div>users know what todo with it. That is not a big deal...<br></div><div><br></div><div>My Usecase is very different from what you expect the usecase to be (i imagine).</div><div>Get the Backup, Zip the Folder, Store it for future use. Done. Mind is at ease.</div><div><br></div><div>And you have done all of that quite well. I tested it today several times, works for me!</div><div><br></div><div>As i said, i do work with linux/bsd quite long, googling around i found an article from 2011</div><div>and have seen that offlineimap is still in development. So i decided to try it.</div><div><br></div><div>So many good tools are hidden behind obscure use cases and abstract expectations.<br></div><div>Your tool rules them all, because with a little bit of tweaking on the docs. Everybody can use it.</div><div>And that's the goal, isn't it ?<br></div><div><br></div><div>I would be happy to help out and provide you with a proper "getting started" section and i could<br></div><div>even do some YT Vids to make it all fit.<br></div><div>(having said that, someone needs to help me with spelling correction and grammar ;-))</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Offlineimap is more complex than usual IMAP client because offlineimap<br>
is not only a client for the IMAP protocol to work on emails; it's a<br>
synchronizer between two IMAP/maildir repositories. Also, offlineimap is<br>
not a GUI tool with configuration wizards.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Compared to a solution which you have to buy or lease, offlineimap is by far the easiest and most</div><div>comprehensive solution. If you have no "idea" what so ever, you can handle the backup quite easily. If you are a <br></div><div>sophisticated user, everything is already provided. Man's, FAQ's whatever the professional person needs.</div><div>Just the point of entry needs some "straightening out".<br></div><div><br></div><div>The Usacase i described is by far the most common one, because if you "mirror" your account or how<br></div><div>many accounts you have, you have the data, which is more important than everything else.<br></div><div>Having the data save, backuped and stored, that easily is my most important goal.<br></div><div><br></div><div>And if i wish to put it back, use further, what else there is, is just another topic, which also<br></div><div>is not so hard to explain in the docs.</div><div><br></div><div>For me the matter is not about having a mirror of my data, but to have a backup which i<br></div><div>can restore in a fashion like i have the actual mail server. <br></div><div>As i said, i know some things. Others may not...<br></div><div><br></div><div>I know there are other tools, but when i made the backup, i have it in perfekt order.</div><div>I guess something like "Timeshift" ... combined with some rsync magick / or mercury, you got<br></div><div>your mails backuped in 5-10 mins. Tax Service Friendly.<br></div><div><div><br></div><div>Who can say no to that ? <br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Am Do., 21. Okt. 2021 um 23:07 Uhr schrieb Nicolas Sebrecht <<a href="mailto:nicolas.s-dev@laposte.net">nicolas.s-dev@laposte.net</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 07:14:58AM +0200, Tom wrote:<br>
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> Now, you maybe say: Noob, RTFM. Ah, well, i did. It says just to configure<br>
> your accounts and storage... and you are good to go.<br>
<br>
You're correct. offlineimap has been started years before SSL becomes a<br>
widely used technology on IMAP. We didn't update the documentation<br>
enough.<br>
<br>
> FAQ Says:<br>
> Checking the SSL certificate and then it tells you without any explanation<br>
> todo this:<br>
> $SSL_CERT_DIR="" openssl s_client -connect hosname:993 < /dev/null<br>
> 2>/dev/null | openssl x509 -fingerprint -noout -text -in /dev/stdin<br>
<br>
offlineimap is usually installed by advanced users and we've always made<br>
this assumption, at least. We didn't feel the hard requirement to<br>
explain why we need to do this but just share a reminder of the expected<br>
command to get this done quickly.<br>
<br>
Perhaps we should not make this assumption anymore and explain the<br>
reasons in the doc. OTOH, offlineimap still requires advanced<br>
configuration with enough skills to get this done correctly.<br>
<br>
Offlineimap is more complex than usual IMAP client because offlineimap<br>
is not only a client for the IMAP protocol to work on emails; it's a<br>
synchronizer between two IMAP/maildir repositories. Also, offlineimap is<br>
not a GUI tool with configuration wizards.<br>
<br>
> [4]<a href="http://www.offlineimap.org/doc/quick_start.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.offlineimap.org/doc/quick_start.html</a><br>
> should have some mention about that. Who uses IMAP without SSL these days<br>
> ?<br>
<br>
I agree. The usage of SSL has sightly changed over time and we should<br>
improve the doc in this area.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Nicolas Sebrecht<br>
</blockquote></div>