<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /></head><body><div>Resending: I accidentally sent this to Simon directly. Simon nonetheless<br />kindly replied to me already. I hope I am able to get back to it<br />tomorrow.<br /><br /><br />Dear Simon,<br /><br />Thank you for your detailed reply.<br /><br />Am Montag, dem 01.02.2021 um 12:47 +0000 schrieb Simon McVittie:<br />> <div style="mso-line-height-rule:exactly;-webkit-text-size-adjust:100%;"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="width:100%;"><tr style="font-size:0;"><td align="left" style="vertical-align:top;"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="font-size:0;"><tr style="font-size:0;"><td align="left" style="padding:15px 0 0;vertical-align:top;"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="font-size:0;"><tr style="font-size:0;"><td align="left" style="vertical-align:top;"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="font-size:0;color:#7D7D7D;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;white-space:nowrap;"><tr style="font-size:13.33px;"><td align="left" style="padding:0 0 15px;vertical-align:top;font-family:Arial;">Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With 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/></a></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div>On Mon, 01 Feb 2021 at 12:06:04 +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:<br />[… Evolution not asking for keyring password anymore …]<br />> > Since this worked before I do not consider this to be an upstream<br />> > issue.<br />> > However also 'gnome-keyring' package does not appear to have been<br />> > changed<br />> > recently. So it may be related to the upgrade of a different<br />> > package.<br />> <br />> I think this might be triggered by security hardening in GLib that<br />> results<br />> in gnome-keyring-daemon no longer trusting its parent process to<br />> supply it<br />> with a DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS. See <https://bugs.debian.org/981420><br />> and<br />> upstream issue <https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/glib/-/issues/2305>.<br /><br />I see.<br /><br />> > I am using Runit as PID 1.<br />> <br />> Presumably that means you're getting your D-Bus session bus from dbus-<br />> x11 (dbus-launch), because the recommended implementation<br />> dbus-user-session requires systemd?<br /><br />I have dbus-x11 installed, but dbus-user-session is not installed.<br /><br />> The various consequences of a non-systemd init, not all of which are<br />> immediately obvious, are not really something that GNOME projects are<br />> designed to support.<br /><br />In addition to other reasons that is one reason I use KDE's Plasma. They<br />kept Systemd support stuff optional so far.<br /><br />> The reporter of #981420 *is* using systemd, but one theory about why<br />> their gnome-keyring isn't working is that they might be using dbus-x11<br />> rather than dbus-user-session. I haven't been able to confirm or<br />> disprove that theory yet.<br /><br />Hmmm, shall I try downgrading to glib 2.66.4-1 from snapshots?<br /><br />> We try to keep this working in Debian, but there's<br />> a limit to what we can do in that direction: if the underlying <br />> system does not meet various design assumptions then sometimes we will<br />> just have to say "sorry, you don't have the requirements for this".<br /><br />Well of course I'd like this to continue to work and if it might be<br />triggered by security hardening in Glib as you pointed out above, it may<br />not be related to Systemd at all? A "design assumption" and hard<br />"requirements" are two different things for me. I prefer software that<br />works without relying on assumptions.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br /></div></body></html>