<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hi,<div><br></div><div>thanks for your feedback. So that’s my point. I am talking about a situation where we would see a rename of all the libs of this project</div><div>(libplist, libimobiledevice-glue, libusbmuxd, libimobiledevice, libirecovery, libideviceactivation) because of the planned changes.</div><div>All libs and the related tools (e.g. idevicerestore, ideviceinstaller) would then be released at the same time with the name change.</div><div>And because we do have a name change anyway (e.g. libplist-2.0.* -> libplist-3.0.* libimobiledevice-1.0.* -> libimobiledevice-2.0.*)</div><div>I was thinking of removing the API suffix. This way, whenever we will see another major version bump, we would not</div><div><div>have to go from e.g. libplist-3.0.*.so to libplist-4.0.*.so but rather only bump the soversions properly.</div><div>Does that make sense?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Nikias</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Am 02.07.2025 um 01:05 schrieb Boyuan Yang <byang@debian.org>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">Hi all,</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">在 2025-07-01二的 09:59 +0200，</span><a href="mailto:nikias.bassen@gmail.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">nikias.bassen@gmail.com</a><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">写道：</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Thanks for your reply.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Am 01.07.2025 um 09:06 schrieb Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac@debian.org>:<br><br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA256<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Mon, 2025-06-30 at 11:36 +0200, Nikias Bassen wrote:<br>I wanted to ask you about some changes I have in my mind for upcoming<br>releases of libplist/libusbmuxd/libimobiledevice etc.<br></blockquote><br>Hi Nikias, thanks for reaching out. I'm adding the maintainers list on<br>recipients so they can chime in if needed.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Now as you remember a few years ago, based on Martin's suggestion, we<br>changed the actual library name to libplist-2.0, libusbmuxd-2.0,<br>libimobiledevice-1.0 etc.<br>both the actual name and also the pkg-config name. Now I received quite some<br>negative feedback back then, breaking builds etc.<br></blockquote><br>I can understand the negative feedback at the time of the break, but as far as<br>I remember it was really needed to do that breakage once and then be aligned<br>with best practice in managing shared libraries, wrt. API, SONAME/SOVERSION<br>etc.<br><br>At least for Debian I think we're pretty happy with the current situation,<br>except maybe the fact that releases happen pretty rarely (and thus we might<br>have to backport fixes or package snapshot from time to time).<br></blockquote><br>I am planning to do more frequent releases.<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I have some larger changes coming up, mostly it’s about changes related to<br>what was summarized in this<br>ticket: https://github.com/libimobiledevice/libimobiledevice/issues/1672<br>Now I will obviously have to bump major version numbers for the libs, and at<br>the same time I was thinking of dropping the version suffix on the library<br>name again.<br></blockquote><br>So you would like to rename the library so the .so would switch from<br>libimobiledevice-1.0.so.6.0.0 to (say) libimobiledevice.so.7.0.0 or something<br>like that?<br></blockquote><br>That was the idea. If we keep the API version suffix, an upcoming (ABI/API breaking) release of libplist would become libplist-3.0.so.x.y.z (currently libplist-2.0.*),<br>libimobiledevice-2.0.* and obviously also a corresponding change in the soversion.<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br><blockquote type="cite">Several distributions have been placing symlinks for pkgconfg and/or library<br>names for quite some time anyway.<br>What do you think about this change, would you appreciate it or would you<br>rather be totally against it?<br></blockquote><br>At first sight I don't think it'd be a good idea, both because of the new<br>breakage/transition and because that reverts to previous name (we switch in<br>2020 so it's not that long, especially in Debian terms :)<br></blockquote><br>Yes, my concern was that too, hence I reached out.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">But I'd be interested in opinion from other people from the team here :)<br></blockquote></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">I made some maintenance in Debian in the past few years to reach a relatively</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">satisfactory condition in Debian (and thus Ubuntu) for libplist/libimobiledevice</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">related packages. I would say that I am fine with renaming back, if that is good</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">for upstream in the long run. Not doing the renaming is also ok. The Debian</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">side can handle either decision.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">(My only suggestion is that the renaming for related packages should</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">be coordinated together with proper dependencies, so that the distro-side</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">renaming can be handled all at once.)</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">Thanks,</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">Boyuan Yang</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><blockquote type="cite">Regards,<br>- --<br>Yves-Alexis<br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br><br>iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE8vi34Qgfo83x35gF3rYcyPpXRFsFAmhjiQEACgkQ3rYcyPpX<br>RFvyUQf+KDA2G83YedAUDUPxH3XpTitMtGptV51xlRUfrpuFaHj8LyGEgoyW2mTY<br>W0JtfTOOZlABfDMbhHHES+ZfqJsz88hTGO+D9q/tnFBCkqymh6RBCgNvfVVmGvgY<br>k/IeAaileyy7M6pDIkUDKhNbh9/jBsvPsmd/SOH2EuUOCQr3I3rKd7evY/FlrnhS<br>MGLXPjG0se/no6KRAWjUH/X8bAEGbMPgnni+h7DEXsf1Ig6vI83+qZ/lLW0vSP5c<br>fvpIe7RiPHVRNK1N/ySmINEb7y/+KCGclQSJkzL21iqIFjq/Ot0qZazrTs4Vjfco<br>uXU4gCrm63/KrZfdaCVBWSUUZo/HGw==<br>=tZni<br>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----</blockquote></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>