<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry for the late reply. I started writing and then dropped the ball.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 12:16 PM Pali Rohár <<a href="mailto:pali.rohar@gmail.com" target="_blank">pali.rohar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello!<br>
<br>
On Saturday 13 June 2020 17:36:14 Felipe Sateler wrote:<br>
> Hello Pali,<br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:17 PM Pali Rohár <<a href="mailto:pali.rohar@gmail.com" target="_blank">pali.rohar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Hello!<br>
> ><br>
> > For two years I have been playing with Bluetooth audio support. I<br>
> > prepared patches for pulseaudio which radically improve bluetooth A2DP<br>
> > situation on Linux, but now after two years I see that pulseaudio<br>
> > maintainers are in interested in them and they are fine with current<br>
> > bluetooth audio state on Linux.<br>
> ><br>
> > For last two months lot of users are asking me when my patches would be<br>
> > merged into pulseaudio and when bluetooth audio situation on Linux would<br>
> > be better.<br>
> ><br>
> > To all users now I'm writing reply, that they should forgot about Linux<br>
> > support as maintainers are not interested in it and users should use e.g.<br>
> > Apple systems where everything bluetooth audio related is working out of<br>
> > the box. It is just wasting time for non-power users on Linux to try to<br>
> > do anything if there are already Apple and Windows systems where it is<br>
> > working.<br>
> ><br>
> > So, I would like to ask you, Debian maintainers, are you interested in<br>
> > Bluetooth A2DP patches for pulseaudio in which pulseaudio maintainers<br>
> > are not interested? I have working support for aptX, aptX-HD, SBC-XQ<br>
> > and FastStream codecs in A2DP profile. FastStream is also with<br>
> > microphone support.<br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> I don't want to maintain a fork of pulseaudio. So including patches that<br>
> upstream *actively* doesn't want is a hard sell.<br>
<br>
I understand your points. If you are asking how to sell it, is not poor<br>
audio support on Linux good argument compared to Windows and Apple<br>
support?<br>
<br>
Because as I wrote, really it is better to not use Linux/Debian for<br>
bluetooth audio and rather switch to Windows or Apple system.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It is a very good argument. As a matter of fact, I cannot use my own bluetooth headset because it is not supported by pulseaudio in HFP mode. But I cannot commit to maintaining a forked pulseaudio. I simply don't have time.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
> However, I don't actually see that upstream is actively opposed. I even see<br>
> some activity happening right now which is awesome!<br>
<br>
No, upstream is really not interested in it. I thought that something is<br>
happening but I was wrong.<br>
<br>
I'm stopping communication with upstream. It is just takes time and has<br>
no result. After 2 years basically nothing happened. Seems they do not<br>
want to touch anything bluetooth related and they like current state.<br>
Looks like that they also lost other developers as I do not see any<br>
activity on bluetooth part.<br>
<br>
> I would very much consider including patches that are on track to being<br>
> upstreamed, provided you are willing to help with rebasing patches on new<br>
> upstream versions. To be completely honest, my debian time is fairly<br>
> limited, so I'm not committing to more work now.<br>
> <br>
> I would also be willing to consider following a patched-pulseaudio<br>
> upstream, especially of other distros are including the same patches. But<br>
> the important thing is that I am not an active pulseaudio developer, and<br>
> thus I don't want to maintain patches. I want to follow some upstream, not<br>
> be one.<br>
<br>
So, what about contacting other Linux distributions and maintaining<br>
patches collectively? I'm sure that users of other Linux distributions<br>
are interested in improved bluetooth audio support based on feedbacks<br>
which I got in private emails.<br>
<br>
Let me know what do you think.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm sorry, but I'm very time-starved. I cannot push for anything. I'm at this point a passive follower. If such a fork materializes, I can take a look. But so far I have not even been able to try out pulseaudio with your patches! I simply cannot be part of a group taking the lead.</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, have other distributions showed interest? Perhaps such a forked-pulseaudio already materialized by now?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><br>Saludos,<br>Felipe Sateler</div></div>