On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Michael Shuler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michael@pbandjelly.org" target="_blank">michael@pbandjelly.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div>On 05/05/2013 05:05 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:<br>
> On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 12:14:36AM +0300, Vladislav Zorov wrote:<br>
>>>> If it's possible to accept PayPal, an even better solution would be to just<br>
>>>> use PayPal's donate button, thus most users will only need one click and<br>
>>>> their PayPal password, avoiding the point where most users abort their<br>
>>>> payments (the credit card details entry form). I understand if there's an<br>
>>>> ideological reason to not accept PayPal, but neither Debian nor SPI said<br>
>>>> anything about it.<br>
>>><br>
>>> That's a good question for debian-project.<br>
>> I bet they have a good reason, let's wait and see :)<br>
><br>
> I don't think there's any particularly good reason not to accept<br>
> donations via PayPal. There are various good reasons not to use PayPal<br>
> in general, but from a strictly Free Software-specific point of view<br>
> (which IMHO is the only one value horizon Debian should have) they<br>
> aren't worse than reasons not to use any other bank out there. As a data<br>
> point, many other Free Software projects (e.g.: Tor, GIMP, KDE, the FSF,<br>
> OSI, SFLC, Software Freedom Conservancy, etc) accept PayPal donations<br>
> without much of a hassle. They all seem to value more the simplicity for<br>
> donors than other concerns; and I don't think that any of those project<br>
> values Free Software any less than we do at Debian.<br>
><br>
> In terms of fees, PayPal fees would actually be better than the fees<br>
> that Debian pays to at least some of other Trusted Organizations that<br>
> currently accept donations on behalf of Debian (e.g. SPI). As such they<br>
> would be more respectful of donors' money, because a larger share of the<br>
> donation will actually reach Debian.<br>
><br>
> Last point: we wouldn't need to rely on any Trusted Organizations to<br>
> take care of PayPal money, we would "just" need to coordinate with the<br>
> Debian auditors for proper accounting --- I haven't spoken with them, so<br>
> that *might* be a problem, but I don't think it would be.<br>
><br>
> Just thinking out aloud,<br>
<br>
</div></div>To add an additional thought, why not use the services of one of<br>
Deb{ian,Conf}'s major sponsors, and why not offer multiple one-click<br>
donation options to give users a choice?<br>
<br>
<a href="https://checkout.google.com/seller/npo/" target="_blank">https://checkout.google.com/seller/npo/</a></blockquote>
<p>For what it's worth, I've had a similer conversation with SPI about the fact they don't take Paypal, when we were initially exploring our options for setting up the "Matching Drive" for DebConf13 [1]. SPI currently doesn't support Paypal, as there is some fear that the bank account tied to a Paypal account could be frozen by Paypal. (I'm guessing this is a very rare scenario, but can't speak on the details.) </p>
<p>SPI said they could likely work around this issue by setting up a separate bank account to handle Paypal contributions.</p>
<p>I believe SPI would be willing to accomodate Paypal support if there was a formal request from the Debian project.</p>
<p>(Personally I am in the camp that we should allow multiple "one click" payment processors, but at a minimum support Paypal.)</p>
<div>We did end up using Paypal (through Debian.ch) for the matching fund [2] and as far as I can tell the sponsors-team running the program was happy with the service. (they were able to easily track and update live stats for donation targets.) Other than one issue where a country in question didn't support "Paypal donations" it was about as painless as these things can be. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I'll add that Debconf13 is still taking individual contributions via Paypal, but they just aren't being matched. [3]</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Brian</div><div><br></div><div>[1] - <a href="http://bits.debian.org/2013/04/dc13-fundraising.html" target="_blank">http://bits.debian.org/2013/04/dc13-fundraising.html</a></div>
<div>[2] - <a href="http://blog.debconf.org/blog/debconf13/dr_dc13_matching_fund_completes.dc" target="_blank">http://blog.debconf.org/blog/debconf13/dr_dc13_matching_fund_completes.dc</a></div><div>[3] - <a href="http://debconf13.debconf.org/payments.xhtml" target="_blank">http://debconf13.debconf.org/payments.xhtml</a></div>
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--<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Michael<br>
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