[Freedombox-discuss] Leaving the (proprietary) cloud - my roadmap for FB

Melvin Carvalho melvincarvalho at gmail.com
Sun Oct 10 00:47:44 UTC 2010


On 8 October 2010 14:01, Jonas Smedegaard <dr at jones.dk> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 12:54:34PM +0200, Arthur Lutz wrote:
>>
>> When I think of the FreedomBox and leaving the cloud, the first thing I
>> think about migrating is not my email. One of the reasons is that I'm quite
>> dependent on it and don't really want an adjustment period right now for
>> this tool. When I think about leaving the cloud, I want to migrate the least
>> "critical" services first, so I can start trusting my FB (stability,
>> security use etc.)
>
> Good point.
>
> First I wondered why you then anyway mention "imap + webmail" on your list,
> but then realized that I actually agree with you - and the key here, I
> think, is *mirroring*.
>
> When I included imap but not smtp on my list, I forgot to mention that I
> would then be using offlineimap to mirror emails from the communities and
> organisations where I have an email account.  Just as I do today on my
> laptop.
>
>
>> This is why I've started a list of things I use (or are popular) on the
>> cloud with opensource equivalents that could be self-hosted (hopefully on an
>> FB). Here is my list so far, some of the services I have already migrated to
>> a hosted server or a QNAP at home (which I haven't migrated to debian yet
>> [1]) :
>
> Great list!
>
> Comments on some of them follows...
>
>
>> * google reader (RSS) -> tiny rss
>
> bug#440602 (if you mean Tiny Tiny RSS a.k.a. tt-rss): needs a little help
> from a Debian Developer.

Interested to know if you get tt rss working.  Seems a nice way to
keep up to date with web 2.0 sites?  Any other alternatives?

>
>
>> * gmail -> imap + webmail
>
> ...and some syncronization mechanism, I guess.  offlineimap is most
> reliable, I believe, but also most ressource hungry.
>
>
>> * wordpress -> self-hosted wordpress
>
> I would use Ikiwiki here, but wordpress might be more user friendly.
>
>
>> * delicious -> ?
>
> If using YaCy for search, then that includes some shareable bookmark tools,
> it seems.
>
>
>> * dropbox -> sparkleshare or ifolder
>
> bug#273303 (for ifolder): needs a volunteer to maintain it
>
> Please file an RFP bugreport against WNPP for sparkleshare if it is a nice
> competitor (choice is good!)
>
>
>> * twitter/identica -> self-hosted statusnet
>
> bug#491723: Seems in good hands, just needing time
>
>
>> * last.fm -> self-hosted libre.fm
>
> Please file RFP bugreport against WNPP for it.
>
>
>> * google calendar -> ?
>
> Server part: davical or radicale are already in Debian.  Perhaps egroupware
> too (but I am sceptical about it). Chandler (bug#449033) looks promising
> too.
>
> Volunteer task: Find good web-based ical clients, and if not yet in Debian
> then file RFP bugs against WNPP for them.
>
>
>> * film log -> filmaster
>
> Please file RFP bugreport against WNPP for it.
>
>
>> * google search -> yacy
>
> Please file RFP bugreport against WNPP for it.
>
> Also, beware that YaCy is Java-based, so heavy on the limited resources of
> an embedded device.
>
> Complex volunteer task: Write a C/C++/Erlang implementation of YaCy ;-)
>
>
>
>> * skype -> ?
>
> Currently in Debian: Asterisk, yate.
>
> In the pipeline: FreeSwitch.
>
> Wet dream: P2P SIP implementations listed at http://p2psip.org/
>
>
>> * facebook -> diaspora
>
> bug#597093: Needs a volunteer (and time for upstream code to mature!!!)
>
>
>> * music streaming sites -> ampache or tin can jukebox
>
> Ampache is in Debian.  My favorite, MPD, is also in Debian.
>
> Please file RFP bugs against WNPP for tin can jukebox.
>
> Volunteer task: find good web-based MPD clients and if not in debian then
> file RFP bugreports for them.
>
>
>
>> I think we can also distinguish a classification for each of these
>> services :
>>
>> * self-hosted
>> * self-hosted talking to proprietary equivalents
>> * self-hosted talking to other self-hosted
>
> +1
>
>
>> Finally, I think the adoption of a FreedomBox would benefit from
>> out-of-the-box equivalents to popular web2.0 websites such as those
>> mentionned above (sorry I don't really want to advertise these). Maybe we
>> can use the Map of Online Communities (2010) drawn by XKCD :
>> http://xkcd.com/802/ as an inspiration for the targeted services we would
>> facilitate.
>
> +1
>
>
>> Hope this helps, if people think it's relevant, maybe we can start
>> documenting these equivalents (and the migration documentation?) on
>> the wiki.
>
> Please do!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>  - Jonas
>
> --
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