[Freedombox-discuss] tahoe-lafs now in debian

Jonas Smedegaard dr at jones.dk
Sun Jun 19 12:31:40 UTC 2011

On 11-06-18 at 06:30pm, Luka Marčetić wrote:
> On 06/17/2011 09:27 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >On 11-06-17 at 09:13pm, Luka Marčetić wrote:
> >>On 06/17/2011 07:24 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >>>On 11-06-17 at 05:04pm, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >>>>On 11-06-17 at 04:40pm, bertagaz at ptitcanardnoir.org wrote:
> >>>>>With the freedombox in mind, I've packaged tahoe-lafs and it's 
> >>>>>dependencies in Debian with the help of a proper DD. It has been 
> >>>>>accepted in unstable some hours ago, and it should pop up in the 
> >>>>>archive soon.
> >>>>Cool!
> >>>Now available unofficially for Debian stable using this APT line:
> >>>
> >>>   deb http://debian.jones.dk/ squeeze freedombox
> >>OT: Dirty hacks are dirty. We need desktop Debian (sid, not 
> >>testing).
> >Uhm, what do you mean by that?
> >
> >Tahoe-lafs being dirty?  My backporting effort being dirty?  
> >FreedomBox being dirty and desktops not so?!?
> Back-porting being dirty, yes.

Thanks for clarifying.

> There should be no need. Are you suggesting Freedombox will be using 
> backports?

No.  The backport is offered as an aid for potential FreedomBox 
developers interested in unofficially(!) experiement with Tahoe-LAFS on 
an otherwise stable system.
The debian.jones.dk repository is deliberately *not* signed to emphasize 
that using backports is dirty and risky.

(as a related note, I consider backports.debian.org as dirty too, and 
find it problematic that Debian has no easy mechanism to flag if an 
install is dirty - independent on whether _delivery_ of it is safe).

In my opinion FreedomBox should be a Debian Pure Blend, which implies 
that it uses only Debian, is only configured by Debian, and is 
distributed by Debian.

I disagree with your possible suggestion that FreedomBox as shipped to 
our end-users should use Debian unstable.  I feel that only a FreedomBox 
installed from Debian stable (and *only Debian stable, no addons of any 
kind) should be considered a stable FreedomBox installation.

Yes, that means I expect FreedomBox to take years to mature.  Until then 
we can make various experimental, unstable and testing installs - and 
dirty unofficial mixtures like installs "infected" with material from 
the debian.jones.dk repository.

 - Jonas

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