[Freedombox-discuss] Fwd: Translating expressions...

Mauricio Pasquier Juan mauricio at pasquierjuan.com.ar
Tue May 24 19:29:17 UTC 2011

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Nicolás Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> I forward this here too since it can be of interest to everybody.


> ----- Forwarded message from Nicolás Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> -----
>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 14:44:01 -0300
>> From: Nicolás Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar>
>> To: FreedomBox i18n <i18n at lists.freedomboxfoundation.org>
>> Cc: FreedomBox Español <i18n-es at lists.freedomboxfoundation.org>
>> Subject: Translating expressions...
>> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
>> Hi, I was translating to es_AR the wiki and found several expressions that

Hey, I should help you with that :P

>> can shock readers outside the US, and IMO taint the expressions of Moglen
>> himself in the speeches I translated.
>> First of all is the use of "Free World"[0] to refer to a certain sector of
>> the world. As the Wikipedia reference says, it was coined during the Cold
>> War to refer to US and other non-communist countries. In case you don't
>> know, during those times the US government and it's agencies[1] not only
>> promoted unfreedomness in Latin America and other countries, but also
>> supported and trained dictatorships that tortured and murderer people por
>> political reasons (Argentina, for instance, has 30.000 missing persons and
>> 500 kids that were illegally adopted by military officers, but only 100 of
>> which were returned to their families during the past 26 years). So "Free
>> World" actually doesn't mean anything like it to us.

I couldn't agree more, as a latinamerican person, with this comment.

>> Other expressions, like "help your friends in opressive countries" and
>> such make it sound that way, the really wrong way, in which "free"
>> countries deliver their freedom to the rest of the world.

Yeah, oppressive countries like France with the HADOPI law[0] and
Spain with their so called "Sinde law"[1]

>> I said this kind of expressions taint Moglen's sayings since he express
>> very clearly that FreedomBoxes should be in every home, because the
>> unfreedomness of the Net doesn't only come from oppressive governments but
>> from "American" enterprises and government agencies. It's not that his
>> words are carved on stone, but I believe his discourse is far more radical
>> than what's currently expressed on the website.

And exactly those US corporations/government agencies are lobbying in
every country for control, vigilance and centralization in the net,
and selling devices for control and vigilance to oppressive

>> Otherwise you'll find many people saying "No, thanks" to FreedomBox and
>> still use unfree technologies that sell themselves as neutral.
>> [0] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Free_world
>> [1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Escuela_de_las_americas

[0]: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/HADOPI_law
[1]: http://advocacy.globalvoicesonline.org/2010/12/09/net-neutrality-spain-and-wikileaks/

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