[Freedombox-discuss] Diaspora

Sun Oct 16 12:47:12 UTC 2011

anything without concurrent editing (think Wave) is uncool at this time ;)
anything without approach to the Federated Social Web ideals and
standardization is just another joke.

i could recommend at least 4 good variants that worth donating and
other support that would really make the difference.

For 'old school' - i see - working Status.net and Elgg, and that is
proven to be enough.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Yosem Companys <companys at stanford.edu> wrote:
> Definitely, Melvin.  Let us know.  Sadly, super heroes don't exist IRL.
>  We're only human and can only build amazing stuff by sharing knowledge and
> working together.  So if you have any ideas on how we could improve our
> efforts, we'd be happy to hear them.  Heck, if you want to help us out,
> either on the tech or human front or both, let us
> know: http://diasporafoundation.org/get_involved
> Thanks again,
> Yosem
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 5:04 AM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On 16 October 2011 12:49, Yosem Companys <companys at stanford.edu> wrote:
>> >> So your goal is to raise $1m and "reinvent" something similar to the
>> >> WWW, but more social.  However do you realize that the WWW was
>> >>
>> >> designed to be social from day 1?
>> >
>> > If by "your goal" you mean "my personal goal," then yes.  I can't speak
>> > for
>> > the whole community, but that is my own personal goal.  There's a lot of
>> > interesting stuff we could build with that sum of money.
>> > The goal is NOT to create something more social than the WWW because I
>> > know
>> > sociability was the goal of the WWW.  The goal is to open up walled
>> > gardens
>> > that attempt to fragment the open web.  The problem is that in many
>> > cases in
>> > practice that sociability has become circumscribed to machine-to-machine
>> > --
>> > NOT person-to-person -- interactions, which has been an unfortunate
>> > development in the open web's evolution.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Facebook interoperates with this cloud, does diaspora?  The impression
>> >> I
>> >> have to date is that
>> >> diaspora 'pods' primarily link to other diaspora pods, rather than
>> >> heterogeneous systems, is that correct?
>> >
>> > Any existing social networking site or website could connect with
>> > Diaspora*
>> > today.  Our first app Cubbi.es is an independent web app that resides in
>> > its
>> > own native environment on the WWW and connects with Diaspora* as well.
>> >  No
>> > need for developers to work on Diaspora*-specific apps, as they'd have
>> > to do
>> > with, say for example, Facebook.
>> > At Diaspora*, we believe in standing on the shoulders of giants, meaning
>> > that we never reinvent the wheel.  We integrate existing standards and
>> > technologies whenever possible.  It just makes sense to do so, as it
>> > cuts on
>> > development time.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I'm not the greatest
>> >>
>> >> fan of Facebook, but people point fingers at them, but they have made
>> >> an effort to interoperate.
>> >
>> > It's well documented that, when developers have tried to get Facebook
>> > user
>> > personal data out of Facebook, Facebook has often made it difficult to
>> > do
>> > so, if not outright prevented them from doing so.  For Facebook,
>> > interconnectivity is asymmetric.  They are OK with your bringing data
>> > from
>> > anywhere on the web into Facebook, but they are not so keen on your
>> > taking
>> > it out.  If you take too much out, they arbitrarily put a stop to it.
>> >  And
>> > they have done so even in cases when Facebook users themselves have
>> > wanted
>> > to take their own data out of Facebook.
>>
>> Yosem, thanks for the response.  I'm not 100% sure you fielded my
>> queries, but I've taken the opportunity to review the 'Federation
>> Protocol' on your wiki.  I feel perhaps not as much is being done
>> terms of interop, at this time, as it could be.  If I get a chance
>> I'll post some feedback to your mailing list, tho I know you're
>> already members of the Federation Community Group, which is a good
>> start.
>>
>> Wish you the best of luck with your goals, keep up the great work
>> spreading the message that the social web, needs to be secure,
>> decentral and free!
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > Best,
>> >> > Yosem
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Melvin Carvalho
>> >> > <melvincarvalho at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 16 October 2011 02:28, Yosem Companys <companys at stanford.edu>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > Hi All,
>> >> >> > My name is Yosem, and I'm a member of this list, though I
>> >> >> > generally
>> >> >> > don't
>> >> >> > say much.  I'm a PhD student at Stanford but also work running the
>> >> >> > Diaspora*
>> >> >> > Foundation.
>> >> >> > If you'd like invites, please let me know, and I'll be happy to
>> >> >> > send
>> >> >> > you
>> >> >> > one.  If you have any questions, please let me know too.  Happy to
>> >> >> > answer
>> >> >> > them.  We're very transparent, non-commercial, and community-run.
>> >> >> >  You
>> >> >> > won't
>> >> >> > get any BS from us.
>> >> >> > Since a lot of people still have questions about Diaspora*, we
>> >> >> > took a
>> >> >> > moment
>> >> >> > to address some of the things we have been hearing lately.  We
>> >> >> > hope
>> >> >> > you'll
>> >> >> > take a
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > look: http://blog.diasporafoundation.org/2011/10/15/diaspora-not-vaporware-not-a-nigerian-prince.html
>> >> >> > Anyway, I'm at your disposal.  Ask away.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks for pointing this out, that was an interesting read.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If I've understood your financial statement correctly, you're
>> >> >> looking
>> >> >> to raise another $100, to keep going for the next year?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My question is, does diaspora have plans to interoperate with other
>> >> >> (non diaspora) FOSS social system, on the Web?  If so, which ones?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Best,
>> >> >> > Yosem
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Weaver <weaver at riseup.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:41:14 +0200
>> >> >> >> Brandon Invergo <b.invergo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > No sooner did I write that defense of Diaspora than I read this
>> >> >> >> > article:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > http://allthingsd.com/20111013/at-lunch-with-diaspora-the-non-profit-open-source-social-network-built-by-outsiders/
>> >> >> >> > In which they float the idea of charging people for running a
>> >> >> >> > pod.
>> >> >> >> > At
>> >> >> >> > the same time, a friend on Facebook who has been waiting for an
>> >> >> >> > invite to joindiaspora.com was talking about how he felt that
>> >> >> >> > they
>> >> >> >> > were soliciting invites in exchange for donations. I'm assuming
>> >> >> >> > he
>> >> >> >> > just got the same email as everyone else asking for donations
>> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> > since they also sent it to the people waiting for invitations,
>> >> >> >> > it
>> >> >> >> > was
>> >> >> >> > difficult not to make that assumption.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> <snip>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> That's definitely happening.
>> >> >> >> I'm still waiting for an 'invitation' and got the email asking
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> $25
>> >> >> >> with the assurance that everybody donating wouldn't have to wait
>> >> >> >> any
>> >> >> >> longer.
>> >> >> >> Young blokes beginning to see the uptake of a new project and
>> >> >> >> eyeing
>> >> >> >> Zuckerburg potentials is how I see it.
>> >> >> >> If it carries on I might be declining the 'invitation' before I
>> >> >> >> receive
>> >> >> >> it.
>> >> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Weaver.
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> "In a world without walls and fences,
>> >> >> >> what need have we for Windows or Gates?"
>> >> >> >> -Anon.
>> >> >> >>
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