[Freedombox-discuss] fully-decentralised > forums

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 16 September 2011 10:59, Thomas Ruddy <thomas at thomasruddy.org> wrote:
> Melvin,
>
> I must take issue with your advice. "Federation" is considerably more than the interoperability provided by a hypertext link. "Federation" is esp. useful when applied to the field of Identity Management, yielding "Federated Identity Management." I have just reviewed and updated the Wikipedia description,
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Federated_Identity_Management
>
> I hope you will see the sense of this distinction better now.

Thanks for pointing this out.

There are varying approaches with varying complexity.

Perhaps I didn't phrase things as well as I could, what I was trying
to get across, is that The Web (Web of documents) was originally
designed as a federated / distributed / decentralized (pick a word,
many people tend to use them interchangeably) documentation system.
At the time everyone had their own protocol, but it was ultimately the
simplicity of the hyperlink that allowed things to come together, grow
and become popular.

I hope I've demonstrated a simple approach that allows a distributed
(all be it basic) social web utilizing the hyperlink (HTTP GET).  It's
possible to make it read write using HTTP POST.  There's a bunch of
people working in the read write web community group aiming to make
this a reality by year end, hopefully I can report back with a
prototype.

The design is based on :

http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/CloudStorage.html

Hope that helps!

>
> Best,
> Thomas
>
> Thomas Ruddy, Switzerland, http://www.thomasruddy.org/
> Wiki on Privacy in E-Governance http://www.thomasruddy.eu
>
>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:49:11 +0200
>> From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho at gmail.com>
>> To: freedombox-discuss at lists.alioth.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: [Freedombox-discuss] fully-decentralised
>> forums
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>> On 14 September 2011 11:14, Thomas Ruddy <thomas at thomasruddy.org>
>> wrote:
>> > Someone below known as DrBob or Mark,
>> >
>> > You asked:
>> >>Which other systems provide fully-decentralised
>> forums?
>> >
>> > "Decentralised can imply "distributed" or "federated".
>> A list of applications that have support, or plan to
>> implement support, for federation (interoperability) are
>> distinguished from distributed ones here,
>> >
>> > http://we-need-a-free-and-open-social-network.wikispaces.com/Information+Center
>>
>> Nice list.
>>
>> Dont forget.  When you hyperlinks from one system to
>> another (as you
>> just did in your post above) then you are already
>> federated/interoperable (in this case via HTTP GET).
>>
>> This was the foundational principle of The Web, and
>> probably the main
>> reason that it became popular.
>>
>> >
>> > Thomas
>> >
>> > Thomas Ruddy, Switzerland, Privacy in E-Governance http://www.thomasruddy.eu
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:07:12 +0100
>> > From: drbob <drbob at lunamutt.com>
>> > To: freedombox-discuss at lists.alioth.debian.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Is FreedomBox
>> interested in using
>> > ? ?Retroshare?
>> > Message-ID: <D430B796-BBA3-426E-A976-1CF01628E837 at lunamutt.com>
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>> >
>> >
>> > I thought the point of freedombox was to provide
>> privacy and control of your data?
>> > This is exactly what Retroshare tries to do - in a
>> fully decentralised manner ;)
>> >
>> > I'd rather not just focus on file-sharing features
>> either...
>> > Which other systems provide fully-decentralised
>> forums?
>> >
>> > ------
>> >
>> > Marc, if you are interested in anonymity... Retroshare
>> provides strong anonymity.
>> > Certainly better than bittorrent or other file-sharing
>> networks like Mute.
>> >
>> > The key is to build a trusted link-level network on
>> which the file-sharing can take place.
>> >
>> > We use the "Turtle" protocol - developed by
>> Tanenbaum's group from the Vrije University.
>> >
>> > Here is a link to an academic paper describing the
>> "Strong Anonymity" features of Turtle:
>> > http://www.turtle4privacy.org/documents/sec_prot04.pdf
>> >
>> > and the wikipedia page on Turtle:
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_F2F
>> >
>> >
>> > Mark.
>> >
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