[Freedombox-discuss] Wozniak on cloud/web data/privacy problems

Melvin Carvalho melvincarvalho at gmail.com
Tue Aug 7 07:20:16 UTC 2012

On 7 August 2012 09:09, Alberto Fuentes <alberto.fuentes at qindel.com> wrote:

> On 08/07/2012 03:22 AM, Sandy Harris wrote:
>> http://www.google.com/**hostednews/afp/article/**
>> ALeqM5h1p0LVc4iFZxbWlflFGgcHhb**RNCQ?docId=CNG.**
>> 3dc7a79d06ad7dc82f701613531da9**26.671<http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h1p0LVc4iFZxbWlflFGgcHhbRNCQ?docId=CNG.3dc7a79d06ad7dc82f701613531da926.671>
> So google competitor thinks cloud is a bad but his company is all about
> DRM and walled gardens and suing everybody because they patented brand new
> stuff like multitouch... because once you are using one finger to touch a
> surface, who would had thought about using two!
> Cloud is the ultimate DRM. And im happy that google is leading the way in
> that front instead of apple.
> I think google is good soil for bad things to grow... but it shivers me to
> think apple or ms or oracle could be where google is today
> > "Everything I designed was purely out of my head, never out of a book,"
> Deny relationship with the world makes you a mad man if anything.
> We can cherry pick the words we like, but this man is kinda crazy in a bad
> way... and his company is bad news although i guess the more different
> companies, the better

Fair comments.  I think it was Eben Moglen that said, 'No one has more
contempt for their users than Apple'.

Most of the 'data monopolies' are going to want to misuse your data and
keep the logs.

Although Google is good, I'm not really that sure that google is an
exception.  For example, they allow HTTP POST but NOT PUT.  There's a
subtlety there in that with POST data you can do anything you want, with
PUT, you are expected to just save the file (subject to MIME types).  So
the user gets told what to do, or an "API", rather than full access to
their data via HTTP.

I heard a great quote from Tim Berners-Lee on a conference call a few years
back regarding APIs.  "People are starting to use APIs more and more, which
is better.  But APIs are poor as they generally hide data, rather than
giving full access".  So many lights went on in my head, when I heard that.

In the W3C "read write web" community group (
http://www.w3.org/community/rww/ ) we are working hard on user centric
solutions to these problems.

The issue I think is that (at current time) many people are not going to
understand the privacy implications, as weighed against what's comfortable
and convenient.

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