[Freedombox-discuss] Foundation's 0.1 release
Jonathan Wilkes
jancsika at yahoo.com
Fri Aug 31 02:12:37 UTC 2012
----- Original Message -----
> From: Nick M. Daly <nick.m.daly at gmail.com>
> To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "freedombox-discuss at lists.alioth.debian.org" <freedombox-discuss at lists.alioth.debian.org>; Ian Sullivan <sullivan at freedomboxfoundation.org>; Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Foundation's 0.1 release
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Jonathan Wilkes writes:
>
>> Does the 0.1 image include Tor?
>
> No.
>
>> If not are there plans to include Tor?
>
> Yes.
>
>> Are Tor hidden services currently leveraged to make Freedomboxes "just
>> work"?
>
> No.
>
>> Are there (immediate) plans to leverage Tor hidden services to make
>> Freedomboxes "just work"?
>
> Kinda. There are plans, they're less immediate.
>
>> Does the 0.1 image have a web server included?
>
> No, it currently has a web-proxy server.
>
>> Is there currently _stable_ software or a combination of _stable_
>> software other than Tor that can traverse the Big NAT Boss?
>
> Not in the image, but yes. See I2P, GNUnet, and Freenet.
I heard Len Sassman say that I2P was broken, plus I couldn't get it to work.
I tried GNUnet _with_ port forwarding and couldn't get it to work.
I haven't looked at Freenet in a long time and see a lot of messages
in Google about problems behind NATs, but I'll take another look.
But I should have qualified my question-- I'm specifically curious about
privacy-preserving software that a) traverses a NAT at the click of a button
(e.g., Vidalia) and b) allows mortals to access content hosted through
that software through the click of a button (e.g., Tor Browser Bundle).
I see Tor listed as part of the base system on the FBX wiki (I2P is also there).
The drawback of Tor's speed is listed, but to me that's a red herring. If
one of the design goals of FBX is to package/enhance pre-existing
software to meet the users' privacy/data-control needs then I don't see
the alternative.
>
>> Will it eventually be possible to plug in a FBX and click a button on
>> a browser web interface to run a web server as a tor hidden service
>> and display a simple web page that says "Hello World"?
>
> We could do that, though something more interactive might be a fun
> demonstration of a working FBX. The PDP-10 (or some other old system)
> had a game you played that ran your system through it's paces to make
> sure your system was in working order, but I can't find it now.
That's fine, but I guess what I'm asking is this: once you have your image
developed to the point where a non-expert can take a FBX with the FBX
software on it, plug it in, and access a basic UI, what is the first basic service
that the box will provide for that non-expert that will help them to do something
that they couldn't otherwise do without the box?
-Jonathan
>
>> I apologize if I'm missing some obvious documentation somewhere.
>
> Some, it's kinda scattered and still less organized than it should be.
>
> News: http://freedomboxfoundation.org/
>
> News:
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/721744279/push-the-freedombox-foundation-from-0-to-60-in-30/posts
>
> Wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox
>
> I'm always hoping folks will take the wiki to task and reorganize it a
> bit.
>
> Nick
>
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