[Freedombox-discuss] FreedomBox/Unhosted/PageKite for Access Innovation Prize 2012

Sun Jul 1 21:03:49 UTC 2012

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho at gmail.com>wrote:

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> On 1 July 2012 19:44, Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Yes, having your own data on the FreedomBox via remoteStorage is exactly
>> the core of the proposal.
>> That, plus potentially integration with the FunkFeuer community wireless
>> network in Vienna.
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>> Okay I have to say this..
>> We haven't submitted the proposal yet.
>> If for some reason this is not a good idea,
>> if this looks like an attempt to "hijack" FreedomBox, or "capitalize" on
>> it, or anything like that,
>> if there already is some sort of relationship between FreedomBox and
>> Access that makes this proposal pointless,
>> then we don't have to submit it.
>>
>> It was just an idea we came up with.
>> It would effectively show ONE thing the FreedomBox could do (out of many
>> ideas<http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/freedombox-discuss/2012-May/003867.html>,
>> including social networking).
>> It would show how different projects (FreedomBox, Unhosted, PageKite,
>> FunkFeuer) could complement each other.
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>> I think we should at least wait until the hackfest is over, maybe longer,
>> before we submit it.
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> Makes sense to wait for feedback from the hackfest.
>
> Storing my own data (on my own box) is something I find very interesting.
> But as far as I know I'm one of the only people that does that.
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> Im curious as to what solutions you might suggest for the data storage,
> and what features are avaiable?  ( personally I use data.fm )
>

Hmm we would want to be compatible with Unhosted's remoteStorage API, which
does not include Linked Data.
ownCloud might be an obvious option, but that's PHP.
Bjarni wrote a simple implementation of remoteStorage in Python
(here<https://github.com/pagekite/plugins-pyUnhosted>),
which might fit in better with other Python-based FreedomBox components,
but that's more limited than ownCloud.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but data.fm is read/write Linked Data and
not compatible with Unhosted's remoteStorage, right?

In any case, the FreedomBox will need a flexible storage API for the
various apps that would run on it.

Perhaps it could support ownCloud/remoteStorage on one hand, but also
read/write Linked Data like data.fm, which would be like what WebBox is
also all about, as I understand.
Perhaps remoteStorage could be modified to also work with data.fm, I don't
know that.

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>> Markus
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>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
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>>> On 30 June 2012 14:07, Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>> To be honest, I have never built a Debian package nor am I deeply
>>>> familiar with the process.
>>>>
>>>> But all the pieces we're considering have Debian packages, i.e.
>>>> PageKite, OLSRd, and for Unhosted there is OwnCloud, which has been
>>>> considered a number of times on this list already.
>>>>
>>>> There really isn't much new about the proposal, just to help assemble a
>>>> few things to the point where they can be demo'd at events and understood
>>>> by end-users.
>>>> It would help show the public that FreedomBox is real..
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the response.  A couple of questions about the proposal:
>>>
>>> Is the idea here to save your own data (ie remote storage) on your
>>> freedom box?
>>>
>>> Would a minimal viable product, to demo FreedomBox, need to contain some
>>> kind of social network?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Markus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Melvin Carvalho <
>>>> melvincarvalho at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> On 30 June 2012 13:03, Markus Sabadello <markus at projectdanube.org>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Heya,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So back in May, when I did a FreedomBox-related demo<http://blog.projectdanube.org/2012/05/freedombox-at-the-internet-identity-workshop/>at the Internet Identity Workshop, I was made aware of the Access movement,
>>>>>> which hosted the recent RightsCon and is also doing a lot of other great
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are now calling for proposals for the Access Innovation Prize<https://www.accessnow.org/prize>where you can win $20k.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So Michiel of Unhosted, Bjarni of PageKite, and myself have decided
>>>>>> to submit a proposal, which would include building a simple FreedomBox
>>>>>> prototype that runs an Unhosted "remoteStorage" component and PageKite to
>>>>>> make it accessible from the open web. Also, the idea is to try integrate
>>>>>> FreedomBox with the local FunkFeuer community mesh network in Vienna. We
>>>>>> haven't submitted the proposal yet (deadline is August 15th), but here's
>>>>>> the current text we're working on:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://projectdanube.pbworks.com/w/page/54796496/Access%20Innovation%20Prize%202012
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Basically, the idea is that you could use any Unhosted-enabled web
>>>>>> application out there, and your data remains on your FreedomBox.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that on the other thread there's a discussion about leadership
>>>>>> and about joining in.
>>>>>> I had all these questions too since I started working with
>>>>>> FreedomBox, e.g. when I did demos, I wasn't sure to what extent I could
>>>>>> speak "officially" about FreedomBox, how I could get involved, etc.
>>>>>> In light of current criticism and allegations of vaporware, I think
>>>>>> the answer is simply that everybody with ideas and resources should try to
>>>>>> get something done in whatever way works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, so if we win the prize, then this could serve a few purposes..
>>>>>> 1. The three of us would have some $$$ to actively work and
>>>>>> contribute to the FreedomBox at least for a little while.
>>>>>> 2. The stuff we would work on (putting Unhosted and PageKite on the
>>>>>> box) seems to align well with the "DropBox Replacement" idea that has been
>>>>>> floating around.
>>>>>> 3. We would have an actual (limited functionality, but working)
>>>>>> FreedomBox, and a minimal viable product that can be demo'd at conferences.
>>>>>> 4. The prize would mean a PR boost for the involved projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think..?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Will there be a debian package for this prototype?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Markus
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Project Danube: http://projectdanube.org
>>>>>> Personal Data Ecosystem Consortium: http://personaldataecosystem.org/
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