[Freedombox-discuss] FreedomBox/Unhosted/PageKite for Access Innovation Prize 2012

Sun Jul 1 21:40:04 UTC 2012

I guess one question is whether the FreedomBox should have SPARQL or some
other semantic query language.
Or is it good enough to simply be able to get/put entire Linked Data
documents just like any other files.

I would tend to say it would be nice to have both

Markus

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Melvin Carvalho
<melvincarvalho at gmail.com>wrote:

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> On 1 July 2012 23:03, Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
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>>> On 1 July 2012 19:44, Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>> Yes, having your own data on the FreedomBox via remoteStorage is
>>>> exactly the core of the proposal.
>>>> That, plus potentially integration with the FunkFeuer community
>>>> wireless network in Vienna.
>>>>
>>>> Okay I have to say this..
>>>> We haven't submitted the proposal yet.
>>>> If for some reason this is not a good idea,
>>>> if this looks like an attempt to "hijack" FreedomBox, or "capitalize"
>>>> on it, or anything like that,
>>>> if there already is some sort of relationship between FreedomBox and
>>>> Access that makes this proposal pointless,
>>>> then we don't have to submit it.
>>>>
>>>> It was just an idea we came up with.
>>>> It would effectively show ONE thing the FreedomBox could do (out of many
>>>> ideas<http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/freedombox-discuss/2012-May/003867.html>,
>>>> including social networking).
>>>> It would show how different projects (FreedomBox, Unhosted, PageKite,
>>>> FunkFeuer) could complement each other.
>>>>
>>>> I think we should at least wait until the hackfest is over, maybe
>>>> longer, before we submit it.
>>>>
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>>> Makes sense to wait for feedback from the hackfest.
>>>
>>> Storing my own data (on my own box) is something I find very
>>> interesting.  But as far as I know I'm one of the only people that does
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Im curious as to what solutions you might suggest for the data storage,
>>> and what features are avaiable?  ( personally I use data.fm )
>>>
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>> Hmm we would want to be compatible with Unhosted's remoteStorage API,
>> which does not include Linked Data.
>> ownCloud might be an obvious option, but that's PHP.
>> Bjarni wrote a simple implementation of remoteStorage in Python (here<https://github.com/pagekite/plugins-pyUnhosted>),
>> which might fit in better with other Python-based FreedomBox components,
>> but that's more limited than ownCloud.
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>> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but data.fm is read/write Linked Data
>> and not compatible with Unhosted's remoteStorage, right?
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>> In any case, the FreedomBox will need a flexible storage API for the
>> various apps that would run on it.
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>> Perhaps it could support ownCloud/remoteStorage on one hand, but also
>> read/write Linked Data like data.fm, which would be like what WebBox is
>> also all about, as I understand.
>> Perhaps remoteStorage could be modified to also work with data.fm, I
>> don't know that.
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> I believe all of remotestorage, owncloud and data.fm support WebDAV, so
> that's perhaps a start.
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> Freedombox has the advantage everyone using the standard package can have
> a pretty decent data store, rather than, having to cater for many different
> providers.  These means the lowest common denominator can be that much
> higher.
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>>>> Markus
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>>>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Melvin Carvalho <
>>>> melvincarvalho at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> On 30 June 2012 14:07, Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> To be honest, I have never built a Debian package nor am I deeply
>>>>>> familiar with the process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But all the pieces we're considering have Debian packages, i.e.
>>>>>> PageKite, OLSRd, and for Unhosted there is OwnCloud, which has been
>>>>>> considered a number of times on this list already.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There really isn't much new about the proposal, just to help assemble
>>>>>> a few things to the point where they can be demo'd at events and understood
>>>>>> by end-users.
>>>>>> It would help show the public that FreedomBox is real..
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the response.  A couple of questions about the proposal:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the idea here to save your own data (ie remote storage) on your
>>>>> freedom box?
>>>>>
>>>>> Would a minimal viable product, to demo FreedomBox, need to contain
>>>>> some kind of social network?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Markus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Melvin Carvalho <
>>>>>> melvincarvalho at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30 June 2012 13:03, Markus Sabadello <markus at projectdanube.org>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Heya,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So back in May, when I did a FreedomBox-related demo<http://blog.projectdanube.org/2012/05/freedombox-at-the-internet-identity-workshop/>at the Internet Identity Workshop, I was made aware of the Access movement,
>>>>>>>> which hosted the recent RightsCon and is also doing a lot of other great
>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are now calling for proposals for the Access Innovation Prize<https://www.accessnow.org/prize>where you can win $20k.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So Michiel of Unhosted, Bjarni of PageKite, and myself have decided
>>>>>>>> to submit a proposal, which would include building a simple FreedomBox
>>>>>>>> prototype that runs an Unhosted "remoteStorage" component and PageKite to
>>>>>>>> make it accessible from the open web. Also, the idea is to try integrate
>>>>>>>> FreedomBox with the local FunkFeuer community mesh network in Vienna. We
>>>>>>>> haven't submitted the proposal yet (deadline is August 15th), but here's
>>>>>>>> the current text we're working on:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://projectdanube.pbworks.com/w/page/54796496/Access%20Innovation%20Prize%202012
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Basically, the idea is that you could use any Unhosted-enabled web
>>>>>>>> application out there, and your data remains on your FreedomBox.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that on the other thread there's a discussion about
>>>>>>>> leadership and about joining in.
>>>>>>>> I had all these questions too since I started working with
>>>>>>>> FreedomBox, e.g. when I did demos, I wasn't sure to what extent I could
>>>>>>>> speak "officially" about FreedomBox, how I could get involved, etc.
>>>>>>>> In light of current criticism and allegations of vaporware, I think
>>>>>>>> the answer is simply that everybody with ideas and resources should try to
>>>>>>>> get something done in whatever way works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, so if we win the prize, then this could serve a few
>>>>>>>> purposes..
>>>>>>>> 1. The three of us would have some $$$ to actively work and
>>>>>>>> contribute to the FreedomBox at least for a little while.
>>>>>>>> 2. The stuff we would work on (putting Unhosted and PageKite on the
>>>>>>>> box) seems to align well with the "DropBox Replacement" idea that has been
>>>>>>>> floating around.
>>>>>>>> 3. We would have an actual (limited functionality, but working)
>>>>>>>> FreedomBox, and a minimal viable product that can be demo'd at conferences.
>>>>>>>> 4. The prize would mean a PR boost for the involved projects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think..?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will there be a debian package for this prototype?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Markus
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Project Danube: http://projectdanube.org
>>>>>>>> Personal Data Ecosystem Consortium:
>>>>>>>> http://personaldataecosystem.org/
>>>>>>>>
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