[Freedombox-discuss] Raining on the parade

[Brian Drake]

I wanted to call out this one bit

The activists are the ones sending data with a tor fingerprint.  The
> Everybodies are the ones doing what they were already doing--
> going to Facebook and Twitter.
> There's no way out of this problem without educating people about
> privacy.


If these boxes are public 'charge-points' and mesh wifi antennas found in
every internet cafe, and every cafe and bar that wants to offer wifi; and
in the apartments that surround said cafe's; perhaps even plugged into a
car's power plug - they can just be the infrastructure of the internet
rather than some special - super secret revolutionary's tool.  The fact
that it could foment and foster a revolution because its tools just happen
to enable spying free communication... well that's just an awesome
side-effect.  No reason these shouldn't be Tor routers in addition to mesh
network routers.  Social networks with a small bit of local storage in
addition to AP.

People care - they just need an option that doesn't take away functionality
they already get with Facebook and twitter - something that augments and
works with them - that's much better.

Brian Drake
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On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>wrote:

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> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Elena ``of Valhalla'' <elena.valhalla at gmail.com>
> > To: freedombox-discuss at lists.alioth.debian.org
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Raining on the parade
> >
> > On 2012-06-25 at 21:10:12 +0200, Markus Sabadello wrote:
> >>  On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Michiel de Jong
> > <michiel at unhosted.org>wrote:
> >>  > > On 06/24/2012 11:07 PM, Sandy Harris wrote:
> >>  > >> [Hostile] regimes [would] stomp rather firmly on
> >>  > >> anyone they caught with a Box?
> >>  > that's actually a valid point i think.
> >>  Yes this is also what someone from the W3C told me a few days ago. He
> >>  said that the FreedomBox was overall a really bad idea and that
> hardcore
> >>  activists would never use it, precisely for this reason. Not sure if I
> > share
> >>  this opinion though :)
> >
> > one way to solve this problem is by making the freedombox useful
> > also for non-activists
> >
> >>  Yes definitely.. The FreedomBox was born out of Eben Moglen's vision to
> >>  liberate
> >>  us from the centralized Facebooks, Googles, etc. It is about having
> data
> >>  under
> >>  our control, and about decentralized communication. My understanding is
> >>  that the
> >>  use case of political activism is of course important, but just a
> subset of
> >>  the
> >>  FreedomBox idea.
> >
> > this. If everybody who has an use for a computer also has an use for
> > a freedombox (e.g. to share his pictures with friends, or any
> > other harmlessi activity) it is something useful in itself.
> > If these tasks are done using strong cryptography (to stop
> > the hackers) then an activist can use it knowing that it won't
> > attract any more attention from the auctorities than using facebook
> > or twitter does right now (except it will be safer for him).
>
> The activists are the ones sending data with a tor fingerprint.  The
> Everybodies are the ones doing what they were already doing--
> going to Facebook and Twitter.
>
> There's no way out of this problem without educating people about
> privacy.  For the average user, nearly everything they do on the web
> is supported by the hypothesis that the data they provide about
> themselves is worth more than the services provided to them.  The
> users know this and react by misjudging the value of their data--
> almost a direct quote from a Facebook member, "they know I click
> 'like' on pictures of animals with captions on them."  And I don't think
> any of us can convince such users that doing so is dangerous without
> knowing more about what Facebook and Google do with their data
> (which is hidden), or making every user do a research project on
> privacy so that they have the skills to understand that Moglen's
> speeches aren't hyperbole.
>
> -Jonathan
>
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> > Elena ``of Valhalla''
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