[Freedombox-discuss] Friendica Red
russell at edwds.net
Tue Sep 18 21:48:53 UTC 2012
On 19/09/12 01:09, Nick Daly wrote:
> "My name is Mike Macgirvin. I am a software developer.
> I'll get to the point. Help us save the web."
> I like his attitude. :)
I like his attitude, too, but I'm not convinced Friendica will have that
It still encourages people to store all their stuff on someone else's
server, and to send copies of it the servers of Facebook and others. In
fact, in amongst all the sweeping design improvements listed for Red, is
the plan to "provide incentives for organisations to provide servers for
Remember FeedomBox is meant to be about "you keep the logs", which is
the complete opposite of organisations providing servers for people.
Even having individuals run nodes for trusted friends, as is recommended
for the current version of Friendica, is also completely opposite to
"you keep the logs" if it's done on shared hosting (as suggested) and is
also of dubious security run on VPS or even dedicated servers. In any
case, Red explicitly wants to move away from this and toward further
centralisation; "organisations to provide servers for people."
I don't really think it should be on FreedomBox for this reason.
When I first heard Eben Moglen's 2010 ISOC-NY speech a few weeks ago, it
was like a belated awakening for me to face what I'd known deep down for
years. Coming at it nearly 2 years after the fact, I thought, great,
surely "we" have just fixed it by now. I went and deleted my Facebook
account. No freedombox yet? No worries, I set up a home server, got mail
going and started searching for the killer distributed social networking
software to use... but I am yet to find any!
I'm just a newbie when it comes to this stuff. Maybe I'm missing some
You keep the logs.
I would rather see FreedomBox come out with no social networking than an
imperfect solution. In fact that goes for everything. Even just a box
that does nothing but serve email with "you keep the logs" would be a
brilliant start and would solve about half of Joe Average's privacy
problems in one quick and easy step.
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