[Freedombox-discuss] Censorship that we can agree on

Paul Gardner-Stephen paul at servalproject.org
Fri Mar 22 10:12:02 UTC 2013

Hello all,

This is really is a difficult, if not impossible, goal.

There is a strong moral imperative to do all that we can.
The challenge is that it is about as easy to remove child abuse from
the internet as it is from people's homes -- but we don't stop
building houses.  Thus the paradox and dilemma of any enabling

In some ways the most practical solutions are about tailoring the form
of the enabling technology so that it encourages "positive" uses and
discourages "negative" uses -- but this can never achieve the goal
100%, which is unfortunate.

This is not to say that we shouldn't think about ways that we can
offer opt-in protections and filters to for people who wish to use
them, and perhaps have a mechanism for marking/classified content when
it is injected into the network.


On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:15:36PM -0700, Robert Connolly wrote:
>> I am very interested in the future of the internet, humanity, and how
> I don't know what the internet it. I presume you mean the Internet.
>> data is being collected on me, and other people. I am opposed to
>> censorship, but there are exceptions.
> Sorry, you can't have it both ways.
>> I like the idea of Tor and Freedombox, but I have conditions.
>> I checked out a network that sounded like Freedombox, and found that it
>> was loaded with disturbing child porn... stuff that very few people
> Weird, I have never yet seen child porn on the wider Internet nor
> on Tor. I presume you actively looked for it. Nobody who doesn't search
> for gets it shoved into their unwilling faces.
>> would agree is acceptable for public view. Stuff that isn't funny.
>> I am concerned that at some point the free software philosophy community
>> will be at odds with this, and I want it to be discussed.
> Censorship-resistant means exactly what it says. You can't
> remove content, but if it bothers it, you can filter it on
> end user end. Manually, because blacklists will get abused
> in no time at all.
>> I suggest that Freedombox develops some way to allow content to voted
>> for deletion.
> I suggest that we should limit ourselves to the feasible.
>> In other words, I want to help my community, but I am not willing to
>> route child porn.
> Easy, just discard packets with the EVIL bit set.
>> I want this to be discussed well, so we have a solid platform and
>> constitution.
> I recommend you reconsider what you're asking for.
>> Please comment
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