[Freedombox-discuss] FreedomBox - "Danube Edition"

Markus Sabadello markus at projectdanube.org
Wed Oct 22 00:04:37 UTC 2014

On 10/22/2014 01:49 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
> On 22 October 2014 01:29, Markus Sabadello <markus at projectdanube.org
> <mailto:markus at projectdanube.org>> wrote:
>     Hello list,
>     So here's the story.. I have an opportunity to build 100
>     CubieTrucks with a nice box and a SATA drive and I would like to
>     call them FreedomBox - "Danube Edition", and sell them just at the
>     price it costs to build them. I can present this at the upcoming
>     Elevate festival in Graz and the Internet Identity Workshop in
>     Mountain View, I have already demo'd FreedomBox at both events
>     (and others) several times in the past.
>     I'd be interested in feedback on any or all of the following..
>     1. Is this a good idea? I made this webpage:
>     http://projectdanube.org/freedombox/
>     So the message would basically be "you can get one, you can try to
>     use it and learn about it, but don't rely on it".
>     I noticed you just discussed how FreedomBox was not ready for the
>     next Debian stable, but I think some people who don't know the
>     command line would still want one.
>     2. I would like to help add a few things to the box. Most
>     importantly, support for the Unhosted project, we already dreamed
>     about this 2 years ago
>     <http://blog.projectdanube.org/2012/06/freedombox-unhosted-pagekite-for-access-innovation-prize-2012/>,
>     and it works really well. Another idea would be something that
>     comes out of the current W3C Social Web work, as well as the
>     IndieWeb community.
> Not sure how much is going to come out of the W3C work, except some
> standardization of AS 2.0, opensocial etc.
> You may want to take a look at GOLD.  It's a light weight remote
> storage file server with access controlled file access.  It runs on a
> raspberry pi so should easily do well on a plug computer.  It's come
> out of tim berners-lee's lab at MIT, so as you can expect it's 100%
> standards compliant esp. with linked data platform.  The focus is on
> client side (what you call unhosted) apps.
> https://github.com/linkeddata/gold
> I've been using it lately and the performance is very good, as it's
> written in go.  I think it makes an ideal match to freedbombox.
Yes thanks. When I think of FreedomBox+LDP, I always remember the WebBox
<http://people.csail.mit.edu/emax/papers/www2012-webbox.pdf> paper. I
was thinking rww.io would be a good fit, but maybe this is better.

When you say GOLD is a "remote storage file server", do you mean it
actually speaks Michiel's remoteStorage protocol, or do you just mean
client-side/unhosted in general in this case?
> PS I met Michiel (from unhosted) a couple of months ago, I think he's
> working on a new hosting service which may fit to your ideas, tho you
> probably know this already
I know a little bit about it, it's very exciting.
>     3. I already managed to build a working FreedomBox image for
>     CubieTruck, using freedom-maker and a mainline kernel and some
>     similar steps as with the recently added Beaglebone support. I'll
>     try to submit a pull request soon. This does require a modified
>     version of vmdebootstrap, since on CubieTruck the bootloader must
>     go into a special space between the partition table and the first
>     partition. I think I found some information out there by Neil
>     Williams who is aware of this? Basically I think vmdebootstrap
>     should have a new parameter that can leave this extra space empty,
>     and then freedom-maker can specify that parameter and install the
>     bootloader afterwards. For now I summarized what I did to make it
>     work here
>     <https://github.com/peacekeeper/freedom-maker/wiki/OS-Start>.
>     4. I worked on setting up a PageKite service under the domain
>     freedombox.me <http://freedombox.me>, and I wrote a Perl script
>     that integrates the PageKite server, a DNS server, and a Redis
>     database, to dynamically register new DNS names and PageKite
>     tunnels given a "voucher code". This is all similar to how
>     pagekite.me <http://pagekite.me> works. So I imagine, if you get a
>     FreedomBox, you also get one of these "voucher codes" and can
>     choose a something.freedombox.me <http://something.freedombox.me>
>     subdomain. Michael Pimmer ("fonfon") has been working on a Plinth
>     extension that can do this registration during Plinth's first-boot
>     phase. I described the whole setup here
>     <https://github.com/peacekeeper/freedomkite>.
>     Thoughts? Maybe we can chat on IRC at some point ("peacekeeper").
>     Markus
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