<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Wow, the other thread "Why is this mailing list so quiet?" clearly disproved, or at least undid, its title. :) Really exciting!</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">I completely agree with Jonas that the way to get to a finished project is probably by making a Debian Pure Blend from existing packages, and not by designing a control panel. I'm not entirely sure where I stand about the need-for-a-leader issue. As Bjarni said, I think the freedombox foundation (when they present themselves on this list) could, and probably will, propose a leader at some point.</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>I myself would like to work on something in between packaging and control panel design. The main reason is that packaging is not a skill I have, or expect to have any time soon, and that I think control panel design is not where I would start. I would like to just experiment with an example server, install some services on them, and see how they run. Sort of like a live demo. Just see if we can get it working, get our hands dirty, explore questions and issues that arise as we go along, and have some innocent geek fun.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I think this exploratory process could serve to quickly find problems and discussion points that we would otherwise find next year, when putting all the packages together. The product/result would be a VM snapshot of some kind, that obviously wouldn't be a shippable (let alone maintainable!), nor would it aim to be. But it could maybe serve as a focal point for what we're talking about when the real Debian people assemble the real Pure Blend.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If in the end our VM snapshot does not get looked at, well, at least I will have had some fun, and mostly, learned something about FreedomBoxen and how (not) to build them, which I think in itself is valuable enough.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Let me know if anyone thinks this is a bad idea, or could be harmful to the project process in any way. If not, then o<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; border-collapse: separate; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">n Sunday US-morning/euro-afternoon, people who think this could be fun, are welcome to join me and at least one more person to</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "> brainstorm about what we think of </span><a href="http://www.freedomboxfoundation.org/goals/">http://www.freedomboxfoundation.org/goals/</a> , and how we can set up a VM snapshot and/or live demo on a public server somewhere that achieves some of these seven goals. We can meet <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">in the IRC channel that is mentioned on the wiki, which is #freedombox on <a href="http://irc.oftc.net/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(42, 93, 176); ">irc.oftc.net</a> .</span></span></div>
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</span></span></div></span><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><div>Cheers!</div></div><div>Michiel</div>