Okay Jonas,<br><br> I don't like where this project is headed. So I am out. I'll keep my eyes peeled for a project that is actually attempting to address this freedom box concept rather than humping debian on a closed and relatively useless hardware arch.<br>
<br>Cheers,<br> Matt<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Melvin Carvalho <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com">melvincarvalho@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 1 March 2011 17:02, Jonas Smedegaard <<a href="mailto:dr@jones.dk">dr@jones.dk</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 04:41:14PM +0100, Melvin Carvalho wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> The only problem I see is Android specifics, which won't play nice<br>
>>>>>> with the Debian toolchain.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> If I am not mistaken, the topic of this mailinglist is the _Debian_<br>
>>>>> FreedomBox project. Not the Google FreedomBox project or whatever else.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I'm not sure what your point is.<br>
>>><br>
>>> This mailinglist was created in direct response to a talk made in July at<br>
>>> a Debian conference, where Eben Moglen challenged the Debian community to<br>
>>> put the already production-ready Debian distro onto the already<br>
>>> production-ready Plug devices, "just" make the combination dead simple for<br>
>>> non-geeks to consume.<br>
><br>
>>> Debian supports Plug devices, not Android phones. Debian also support a<br>
>>> gazillion devices other than Plug devices, and a gazillion other use cases,<br>
>>> but I dare say this particular project was created with the relatively<br>
>>> narrow scope of consumer-friendly design + Plug devices + Debian subset of<br>
>>> freedom-enabling technologies.<br>
>><br>
>> What about Eben's original talk about NYU a year ago, 'Freedom in the<br>
>> Cloud', where he coined the term 'Freedom Box'?<br>
>><br>
>> I believe he mentioned both Fedora and Debian.. IMHO he was promoting<br>
>> the idea of free software in the freedom box, and selected Debian as a<br>
>> leader rather than an absolute.<br>
><br>
> Several Eben Moglen talks are original. Possibly the term FreedomBox was<br>
> _introduced_ at a talk a year ago. I can't say for sure, and also find it<br>
> irrelevant for this discussion.<br>
<br>
</div></div>Here's the original. Worth watching, IMHO.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOEMv0S8AcA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOEMv0S8AcA</a><br>
<div class="im"><br>
><br>
> Do you not understand that a different talk spawned this mailinglist?<br>
><br>
> Or do you not care and feel the goal should be more broad nevertheless?<br>
<br>
</div>I do feel the general goals of the freedom box should be a broad one.<br>
<br>
Totally respect the original of this list and the debian nature. I<br>
run debian myself and am happy for that to be the focus.<br>
<br>
However, I was unsure that other related freedom box projects are<br>
completely out of scope at this early stage, but if you tell me, I'll<br>
believe you.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
><br>
> Eben is great inspiration, but do not dictate work done here.<br>
><br>
> Neither do I. Please reread this thread if you feel Debian is all I care<br>
> about.<br>
><br>
><br>
> - Jonas<br>
><br>
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