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On 04/14/2011 12:35 AM, Poor Richard wrote:
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cite="mid:7025896.710.1302759328939.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgy8"
type="cite">I don't know how much Charles may have already
described the FreedomBox project he is working on, but since I
joined the mail list I have been getting pretty excited about it.
The wikipedia page <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomBox">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomBox</a>
says:<br>
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Ah I am only a late comer to the party. Many folks far more gifted
in marketing/fund raising/branding have gotten the FreedomBox
project launched and coverage in the New York Times etc. I simply
joined up and shared my vision of what I feel the software stack
should look like. Someone else posted a similar stack today and got
good feedback. Maybe my vision is too far off? It's at <br>
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<a
href="http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/freedombox-discuss/2011-April/001305.html">http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/freedombox-discuss/2011-April/001305.html</a>
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if folks want to review it.<br>
<br>
(sidenote) Mailman lets you link to an individual message, but you
can't reply to it via a web interface like you can with google
groups. I've been looking over the past archives of this group and
as I find things to reply to, I can do that. Might dig up some old
discussions and bring my perspective. <br>
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A "plug computer" is an inexpensive little plug and play appliance
that goes between your pc and/or router and your ISP connection. </blockquote>
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Right. There have been some detailed discussions around flaws with
the plug computers in their current and previous incarnations. They
appear to be in their second generation at this time and much
improved. Some are suggesting panda/beagle board system instead. The
beauty of most (if not all) of the necessary software, is that once
it's packaged on Debian it can be apt-get installed equally well on
an ARM based plug computer or my Dell Optiplex x86 desktop. <br>
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I don't remember if I posted here or on the FB list about Debian for
appliance builders. This comes back to my experience with the
advertising system. First rev on Fedora second rev on Debian. We
attempted to do the second rev on Fedora/CentOS and ran into issues
over weeks and weeks. Debian prototype was done in an afternoon and
took maybe 100 man hours to be fully finished. <br>
<br>
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<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:7025896.710.1302759328939.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgy8"
type="cite">The FreedomBox is a self-contained unit with a
pre-installed suite of anti-surveillance, anti-blocking, and
social networking software that can be used in its default
configuration without any user expertise. Optionally, the
applications can be further user-configured and they can also be
installed directly on a pc or other user-supplied hardware instead
of on a plug computer. (Personally I love the appliance version
because it offloads a lot of cpu work from my pc.)<br>
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Exactly. It's low power draw etc and can be left on all the time.
Bringing the discussion back to nextnet, it will be a key element in
building out the mesh network. <br>
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The FreedomBox developers are going to be integrating existing
free software with new components/layers as needed. Members of the
Next Net group might have insights to offer on tools and
approaches.<br>
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Yes. Please contribute to the FB list and help get the stack
defined! I am beginning my security stack journey and need a LOT of
help figuring out what's what. I'm also on the liberationtech
mailing list and keep an eye on the things @ioerror talks about. I
don't always agree with his conclusions, but others that I trust
have a lot of trust in him. <br>
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Charles:<br>
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1) is there any ETA for FreedomBox yet?<br>
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Not that I am aware of. I would love to have a demo of it at
ContactCon. That gives us the summer to get this gelled up. I plan
to have my milestone3 beta1 release (security stack) ready by then.
The bullet proof backups and replication/resiliency stuff should be
done by end of this month and presented at BarCampLosAngles. <br>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:7025896.710.1302759328939.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgy8"
type="cite">2) has there been much discussion of INVISIBILITY vs
simple anonymity/encription/etc (which can raise red flags and
draw scrutiny)?<br>
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There has been some discussion in this area but not too much.
However as I'm a late comer to the party, there may be extensive
discussion in the archives. <br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Charles N Wyble <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:charles@knownelement.com">charles@knownelement.com</a> @charlesnw
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blog.knownelement.com">http://blog.knownelement.com</a>
Building tomorrows alternate default free zone</pre>
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