<br>I think some points we are missing ...<br><br>There is a search engine out that is offering some privacy advantages <a href="http://www.ddg.gg/" target="_blank">http://www.ddg.gg</a> or <a href="http://duckduckgo.com/" target="_blank">duckduckgo.com</a><br>
<br>but more importantly, we will need to debate a topic that has been
bounced around in other similar projects; a search engine that will not
only index our user published privacy/anonymous aware sites and
material, as well as tor/i2p/freenet sites. The reason why i bring this
up is, there was a big debate is some of the larger anonymous/privacy
concerned projects, including TOR about having an internal search
indexing service.. and the general consensus was that the ability for
sites to not be found on a search engine is a benefit, not a flaw. Not
just the idea, but the request that some sites, their users, and content
providers of these sites dont wont to be found, don't want to be
indexed, and dont want to be identified. <br>
<br>Plausible solution, i'll skip the debate because ive seen this discussion a few times. <br><br>TLD's for users to use that are not indexed. like a mysite.pvy (insert any fashionalbe TLD ..)<br><br><br>might i add that the key to freedombox's success is not just the basic
Fbox platform, but the protocols and more importantly its network and
infrastructure of which users can contribute to in the form of relays/
exit nodes / ect ect. mesh/darknet / Freedomnet<br>
<br>
let us remember that alot of the services users are ranting and raving
over to be included in the Fbox are web based services and include a way
to host these services by themselves on their computer on the existing
network, therefore as mentioned a thousands times, the incentive for a
user to buy a plugSERVER (might we make a distinction between a plug
computer and server) to run services that are already available on our
existing censorship driven infrastructure is little. <br>
<br>
why would i buy a plugserver for 100-150 USD to host a diaspora plug,
xmpp chat services, irc chat, visit tor sites, take place in friendika,
or any other number or set of the most debated services when i already
can on my own computer. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Luka Marčetić <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paxcoder@gmail.com">paxcoder@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On 07/16/2011 05:25 PM, James Vasile wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:08:47 +0200, Luka Marčetić<<a href="mailto:paxcoder@gmail.com" target="_blank">paxcoder@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 07/16/2011 05:15 AM, ya knygar wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The box as shipped will have a relatively small subset of possible<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
packages (just as Debian installation has a small subset of the repo's<br>
packages).<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
Where was it decided and when?<br>
</blockquote>
He was simply saying that we can't include all packages from the repo in<br>
the FreedomBox sub-distro. In context, it's simply an "ignoratio<br>
elenchi", if you will ( no offense, James ;-) ).<br>
</blockquote>
I don't know what that means, but I think you just called me ignorant. ;)<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
That's not what I said, please see wikipedia article.<div class="im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
He did state it was his opinion that search would be excluded<br>
</blockquote>
The basis of my opinion is that I talk to a *lot* of people about what<br>
FreedomBox is and what they need. Search has never been at the top of<br>
the list of things people say they want. Sometimes people ask if it<br>
will be there, but nobody so far has indicated this is a higher priority<br>
for them than most of the other things FreedomBox is going to try to<br>
do.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Maybe people you talked to simply didn't think about it, I don't know. There are certainly more pressing issues, like I said, but my opinion is - not many. Mesh networking, for example, has been long an idea tied to FB, and a very discussed one. I doubt though that many people first think of it when discussing FreedomBox. I doubt anyone would say it's a priority. That doesn't mean it isn't important enough to be a default feature when it's ready. YaCy has been on the mailing list and the wiki for a while now. The problem with it is Java. There were alternatives mentioned, but I can't remember anymore.<div class="im">
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
* packages in Debian that people can install as they please to<br>
cherrypick FreedomBox functionality for themselves. Debian (i.e. you<br>
folks) has the final say on what goes in its repos. The config<br>
nightmare on this last one scares me.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
That's the one we're discussing here. Debian wiki has more.<div class="im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The bottom line here is that the Foundation will make decisions about<br>
what *it* publishes. But we have no interest in dictating what Debian<br>
publishes (as if we could!). I think it's likely that we will also link<br>
to the best/popular/most whatever versions others make too.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Thanks for the clarification.<br><font color="#888888">
Luka</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
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