<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:16 PM, <a href="mailto:FreedomBox-Discuss.NeoPhyte_Rep@OrdinaryAmerican.net">FreedomBox-Discuss.NeoPhyte_Rep@OrdinaryAmerican.net</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Marc Manthey - <a href="mailto:marc@let.de">marc@let.de</a> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><snip><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">So why we need all this NAT /SIP/STUN / punching stuff ?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Then, how long has it taken major implementers, large Internet Service<br>Providers (ISPs), large network companies, and national governments,<br>to buy IPv6 equipment and place it into service?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>In france one of the biggest ISPs (free.fr ) offers ipv6 for every customer without any extra charge since years. <a href="http://ipv6pourtous.free.fr/rani/">http://ipv6pourtous.free.fr/rani/</a></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Comcast has released source-code for the next-generation of IPv6 enabled home gateway device (a.k.a. home router). </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">This IPv6 solution is based on the OpenWrt platform.</span></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><a href="http://www.comcast6.net/" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; ">www.comcast6.net/</a><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><a href="http://sourceforge.net/p/dslite-6rd/home/" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; ">http://sourceforge.net/p/dslite-6rd/home/</a></span></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>So i predict everyone has ipv6 before 2012 ends , so why we need ICE/SIP and STUN in ipv6 when we have end-to end connectivity ?</div><div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_principle">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_principle</a></div><div><br></div><div>greetings</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Marc</div><div><br></div></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; 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"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">-- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment<br>Marc Manthey- Vogelsangerstrasse 97<br>50823 Köln - Germany<br>Tel.:0049-221-29891489<br>Mobil:0049-1577-3329231<br>blog: <a href="http://let.de/">http://let.de</a></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><a href="http://let.de/"></a>project : <a href="http://stattfernsehen.com">http://stattfernsehen.com</a><br>twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/macbroadcast/">http://twitter.com/macbroadcast/</a><br><br></div></span></div></span></div></span></div> </div><br></body></html>