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On 07/22/2011 03:49 AM, John Walsh wrote:
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="828293605-22072011">Hi
Everybody,</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="828293605-22072011"></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="828293605-22072011">There
has been been a lot of heated and name calling on the
mailing list recently;</span></font></div>
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Hmmm. I think it's the first great discussion to happen on this list
with any real meaning. <br>
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type="cite"><font><span class="828293605-22072011"><span lang="EN">
<div><span lang="EN"><span class="828293605-22072011"><span
lang="EN"><font face="Arial" size="2">I think this
is quite disappointing for a project with such
high aspirations, <br>
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I think it's awesome. It brought out issues that needed to be
discussed. <br>
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type="cite"><font><span class="828293605-22072011"><span lang="EN">
<div><span lang="EN"><span class="828293605-22072011"><span
lang="EN"></span></span></span> </div>
<div><span lang="EN"><span class="828293605-22072011"><span
lang="EN"><font face="Arial" size="2">I think the
name calling can be put down to "The Great
FreedomBox Conspiracy Theory". Basically, the
Great Philosopher promised people who gave him
money a FreedomBox full of "Debianised" toys from
the Packagers, which would do everything to
protect Freedom Fighters except mesh computing. Of
course, the mere mention of the toys "freedom and
privacy" drew donations from Philosophers and
Architectures who felt that after donating they
had a right to be heard at the Foundation. <br>
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Yep. I still haven't seen a full accounting of where that money
went, what it was used for, how much is left etc. <br>
<br>
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type="cite"><font><span class="828293605-22072011"><span lang="EN">
<div><span lang="EN"><span class="828293605-22072011"><span
lang="EN"></span></span></span> </div>
<div><span lang="EN"><span class="828293605-22072011"><span
lang="EN"><font face="Arial" size="2">Next, the
"Is/Is Not" Manifest was published by
the Foundation which was so general the
Philosophers/Architects started talking about
their new toys. After a while one
of the Philosophers wondered were they just
talking amongst themselves, which caused the Great
Philosopher and his Packagers to issue the Great
Update and t</font></span></span></span><span
lang="EN"><span class="828293605-22072011"><span
lang="EN"><font face="Arial" size="2">hen the
Working Group Proposal. Under the
Proposal, Architects could talk amongst themselves
in their "UI/UX" meeting room; Philosophers could
talk amongst themselves in the Peer to Peer Model
meeting room, while Packagers got their own
meeting rooms such a Networking Protocols and
Security Meeting Rooms. .</font></span></span></span></div>
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In my opinion all this over built architecture to drive results is
ridiculous. The announcement of the technical advisory committee led
me to state "FreedomBox project is now dead". <br>
<br>
FreedomBox is starting to turn into Hurd. This is why I've thrown my
effort behind Byzantium/FreedomNode cause we are actually moving
towards release at high speed. <br>
With no money, no high profile Free Software luminaries etc. <br>
<br>
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type="cite"><font><span class="828293605-22072011"><span lang="EN">
<div><span lang="EN"><span class="828293605-22072011"><span
lang="EN"></span></span></span> </div>
<div><span lang="EN"><span class="828293605-22072011"><span
lang="EN"><font face="Arial" size="2">However,
before the meeting rooms were built one
Philosopher demanded his new toy to be invented
now by the Packagers. The Packagers said it was
only their job to Debianise existing toys and not
create inventions thus revealing the Great
FreedomBox Conspiracy Theory.</font></span></span></span></div>
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Mmhmm. <br>
<br>
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lang="EN"><font face="Arial" size="2">
The Architects realised that it's the Packagers
who choose the UI of the Debianised toys. The
Philosophers realised that it's the Packagers who
choose the Peer to Peer Model of the
Debianised toys. The Architects and
Philosophers felt their contributions were of no
value to the FreedomBox and they were only being
tolerated because of their donations. The
Packagers felt that they donate money and their
time to do all the work so they should choose
the UI and Peer to Peer Model for the Debianised
Toys of the FreedomBox. War broke out.</font></span></span></span></div>
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Well said sir. <br>
<br>
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type="cite"><font><span class="828293605-22072011"><span lang="EN">
<div><span lang="EN"><span class="828293605-22072011"><span
lang="EN"></span></span></span> <br>
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<div><span lang="EN"><span class="828293605-22072011"><span
lang="EN"></span></span></span> </div>
<div><span lang="EN"><span class="828293605-22072011"><span
lang="EN"><font face="Arial" size="2">I think the
Foundation needs to be honest with if/how
non-packagers can contribute to the project and I
think a good time to do that would be when the
FreedomBox Roadmap is released sometime after
the Debcon hacking fest. I will make a couple of
wiki posts to scratch an itch, but then I will
step back from the project until I see the
Roadmap.</font></span></span></span></div>
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I don't see why a roadmap is even needed. Have fun with all the
planning, architecture, working groups, etc. The 5 or so of us that
actually build things should have something shipped in the very near
future. More on this list soon (late next weekend or so should see a
release). <br>
<br>
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type="cite"><font><span class="828293605-22072011"><span lang="EN">
<div><span lang="EN"><span class="828293605-22072011"><span
lang="EN"></span></span></span> </div>
<div><span lang="EN"><span class="828293605-22072011"><span
lang="EN"><font face="Arial" size="2">At the end of
the day, I will buy a FreedomBox because there
will be nothing better out there and I am happy if
that's my only genuine contribution. Please don't
just tolerate me because I donated to the project,
I would rather know now, if there is a genuine
opportunity to contribute my thoughts and ideas,
or if this is a mindless brainstorming session for
the likes of me without an actual outcome.</font></span></span></span></div>
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lang="EN"></span></span></span><br>
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It does seem to be turning into a mindless brainstorming session
indeed. <br>
<br>
FreedomBox is rapidly loosing releveancy in a world that moves at
internet speed. Have fun being the next HURD. <br>
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Ship or die folks. <br>
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