<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Jack Wilborn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jkwilborn@gmail.com">jkwilborn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br><br>I know most of you out there are software people but considering the temperature limits of the Dream Plug 2 I don't understand how we can support such a piece of hardware. The US distributor advised me the range is 0 to 40 Centigrade, which is 32 to 104 Fahrenheit. As for putting this in a box without control over the temperature you are asking for failure.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>The thermals on the guruplug were awful. It was my hope they'd learnt their lesson with the dreamplug. <br><br>What are the the ratings on the upcoming smile plug? That has a few advantages for the freedomboxes targets..<br>
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<br>Even those in NYC see temps below freezing and certainly close to or above 100 during summer. Here we usually don't freeze but it gets VERY hot here, I've experienced 122 degrees. I can't see how we can use a hardware component, with what we want it to do, that has such a limited temperature range. Maybe the people who make the Dream Plug need to know this, but I'm not investing in hardware I can't use.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>I agree that <br><br>I will also argue that fans are also a major point of failure, as are non-solid state power supplies.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I have experience in both hardware and software and know you would be sticking your neck out on something that won't tolerate the local temps without some kind of heat or cooling, which of course increases the price of the installation. It seems that whomever thought this out didn't look very far.<br>
<br>Am I blowing steam or do you people understand what I'm talking about???<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>I do. I lived in south america off and on for many years. Ratings to 60C and beyond are needed.<br>
<br>Very little consumer gear in general is rated based 40C. Net result, survival times measured in months, not years for, in my case, on my gear:<br><br>liquid cooled pc: 2.5 yrs<br>normal pc: power supply and cpu fans went inside of 2 years<br>
laptop: fans went inside of 2 years on 3 laptops<br>4 separate routers went (not all mine) - cisco, linksys, netgear, and buffalo<br><br>The only pieces of gear I had that survived longer than 3 years were the work of embeddedarm (usually rated to 70C), a couple olpcs,<br>
and ubiquiti nanostation m5s and picostations. An openrd survived over 2 years as well - which is what got me interested in this hardware series. However the plugs have been a source of continuing disappointment. <br><br>
They should be underclocked at the very least.<br><br>on another note...<br><br>I am delighted to see power ranges on much gear nowadays that can tolerate 80v (I frequently saw power sags that low), and delighted to see solid state power supplies that don't need fans for the ATX bus, and delighted to see battery powered operation (sub 30 second outages 6-10 day were typical, day long or longer outages happened during the oil crisis, typical long outage was over 7 hours)<br>
<br>So, it's progress, and if the thermal problem can be licked the dreamplug-like idea can work.<br><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Jack<br>
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