[Nut-upsdev] Spurious messages on start

Peter Selinger selinger at mathstat.dal.ca
Mon Nov 20 18:12:17 CET 2006

Hi Arjen,

thanks for the tutorial, and sorry for being so thick! I totally
missed the difference between a socket (as in /var/state/ups) and a
serial port. So much for trying to converse at 5 in the morning. 

I finally understand what the DUMPALL command does. I agree with your
proposal. It's fine for upsmon sit there and watch the variable list
slowly get populated, as long as ups.status is present.

-- Peter

Arjen de Korte wrote:
> >> Not really. We do check if the driver socket is available and readable.
> >> This should cover most configuration problems.
> > A readable socket doesn't guarantee that there is a UPS attached, or
> > that the UPS is the correct one for the driver.
> There is nothing upsd can do about that. If a driver decides to create a
> socket to upsd to connect to, for upsd that's enough to ask the driver for
> a DUMPALL and it will do just that. If the driver returns something
> (either the right information, or plain nonsense), the information will be
> accepted and is available for upsmon to read. If it doesn't, upsd will
> declare the driver stale after MAXAGE seconds have passed. Waiting for
> DUMPALL to complete won't make a difference here.
> > Perhaps it's not necessary to wait for a dump of all the data, but perhaps
> > one should wait until the driver has talked to the UPS. This would catch
> > configuration problems of users who are trying to set up NUT
> > incorrectly, while the driver is still in the foreground.  Is that
> > what the "fake" INIT command would do?
> No. The DUMPALL command serves to populate the tree of all variables that
> can be read from the UPS, ups.status being one of them. Right after
> connecting to the driver this tree will be emptied. If upsmon tries to
> read the ups.status then, it will fail miserably with a VAR-NOT-SUPPORTED
> until the driver has added this variable. Enter the "fake" INIT command.
> This puts the variable ups.status in the tree with the value "INIT". This
> keeps upsmon happy (since it will only check if it can read ups.status)
> while upsd is filling the tree of variables. Once it has received
> ups.status from the driver, the "INIT" will be overwritten with the real
> ups.status. If this doesn't happen within MAXAGE seconds, the data will be
> marked stale and communications lost is reported for this UPS. Business as
> usual./
> > I don't quite see what this has to do with upsd, though. Why is upsd
> > supposed to wait for something from the driver, rather than simply
> > starting upsd after the driver forks?
> See above. Until DUMPDONE, upsd has no idea what variables are supported
> by the UPS. If you ask it the value of variable ups.status right after
> connecting to the driver, but before completion of the DUMPALL command,
> chances are that it doesn't know this variable (yet) and will report an
> error.
> > It seems to me that any startup error handling should be done in upsdrvctl
> > and/or the driver itself, rather than upsd.
> For the part of detecting whether the UPS connected is the right one,
> indeed. But what you're missing, is that it takes a while for upsd to know
> which variables are supported by the UPS after connection (signalled by
> the driver by sending DUMPDONE). So you should either wait for DUMPDONE
> before firing up upsmon, or give it something to chew on (ups.status) in
> the mean time. The first is what we're doing up to now, my proposal is to
> do the second.
> > What does a typical startup sequence look like? Is it something like
> > this? And if yes, where does MAXINIT and MAXAGE and DUMPALL come into
> > play?
> >
> > time 0: upsdrvctl start
> > time 1: driver1 tries to connect to UPS
> > time 2: driver1 has connected to UPS, driver forks to background
> > time 3: driver2 tries to connect to UPS
> > time 4: driver2 has connected to UPS, driver forks to background
> > time 5: upsdrvctl returns
> > time 6: upsd -c start
> > time 7: upsd tries to connect to driver1 and driver2
> time 7a: upsd tries to connect to driver1
> time 7b: if connected to socket send DUMPALL to driver1
> time 7c: upsd tries to connect to driver2
> time 7d: if connected to socket send DUMPALL to driver2
> > time 8: successfully connected
> time 8a: wait until DUMPDONE is received from driver1 and driver2 for up
>          to MAXINIT seconds
> time 8b: if DUMPDONE is received from both driver1 and driver2 report that
>          we're synchronized else report giving up
> > time 9: upsd forks to background
> > time 10: upsmon -c start
> > time 11: upsmon tries to connect to upsd
> > time 12: successfully connected
> time 12: if we can read ups.status, successfully connected else throw an
>          error indicating communications lost
> > time 13: upsmon forks to background
> > time 14 (perhaps): upsd reads status from driver
> > time 15 (perhaps): upsmon reads status from upsd
> > ...
> >
> > Errors could happen at time 2, 4, 8, or 12, and happen in the
> > foreground.
> Indeed. And what I'm trying to accomplish is that at time 12 we don't have
> to wait for the completion of time 8. Note that if we're not synchronized
> in step 8b (after giving up), there is a chance that if we fire up upsmon
> anyway, the ups.status variable for that UPS may not be available and that
> upsmon will fail with VAR-NOT-SUPPORTED. Ouch! I'd rather see a staleness
> warning instead.
> Regards, Arjen

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