[Nut-upsuser] On retiring some terminology
jimklimov+nut at gmail.com
Wed Mar 23 20:40:44 GMT 2022
That's odd, seems a spam or phish sneaked through to the list.
NOT from me :)
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 21:38 Jim Klimov via Nut-upsuser via Nut-upsuser <
nut-upsuser at alioth-lists.debian.net> wrote:
> Hello again,
> Please find lower the overall documentation:
> File password: MT7658
> Thanks again for all the suggestions.
> For now I've prepared draft PRs, mostly to map out where the changes are
> needed - based on my earlier work with the originally proposed terminology.
> Now that we know where to change it, should not be too great a hassle to
> replace again by some other choice... subordinate was a bit too long to
> type :)
> To make the election of team choice more simple, I have prepared my first
> SurveyMonkey poll here - it should be possible to choose one response for
> each of the two roles (although if you really can't pick one of several
> names you like, you should be able to take the poll again):
> Changes related to upsmon, and bookmarks for protocol "MASTER" keyword,
> are PRed here:
> Also some nearby paragraphs in the docs were updated and extended, which I
> extracted into separate PRs - reviews welcome:
> Review of the sources and docs on upsmon also revealed an aspect I did not
> realize (or have long forgotten) that, at least as is documented in several
> spots, a shutdown of an upsmon in "master" mode - even if graceful for
> maintenance - should set the FSD flag and bring the larger server farm
> down, apparently for a reason but I can't think of one except that the farm
> might no longer know when to go down if power disappears and/or there is
> nobody to power-cycle the UPS. Otherwise it feels counter-productive, and I
> don't think I've seen that in practice though, have you? :)
> On the opposite: the upsmon source code for "slave" mode (and docs for it)
> actually have support for an outage of the "master" -- if slaves see an
> "FSD" flag on the server (some drivers can set it too), or "OB+LB" state
> which does not disappear within a few seconds, they go on shutting down
> even if there is no "master" upsmon to set FSD.
> And answering my earlier uncertainty, it is the "master"-mode upsmon that
> actively sets the FSD flag in the upsd state (and also some drivers can do
> so), not upsd which then indeed acts like a message broker.
> Another note is that it seems that upsmon may run in master mode on a
> different system than that with upsd and drivers for that monitored UPS,
> though I can't think of good reasons why that can be useful, perhaps beyond
> same-box containers or chroots (at least, such "different system" is
> usually not wired to power-down or reset the UPS at the end of master
> upsmon's shutdown).
> Thanks all,
> Jim Klimov
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 1:02 PM Stuart Henderson <> wrote:
>> In gmane.comp.monitoring.nut.devel, you wrote:
>> > I looked around for suitable synonyms, and for our primary use-case
>> > upsmon roles - where it either manages an UPS by direct link and tells
>> > others to shut down ASAP, or is one of such shutdown agents being told
>> > to do, words "manager" and "subordinate" seem neutral enough and
>> > of the activities and relationship of these actors.
>> Hi Jim. I think "agent" would likely work better than "subordinate".
>> "manager" is not perfect but seems ok and I can't think of anything better
>> (could also be "controller" but I think that's just different rather than
>> necessarily better!)
>> Stuart (OpenBSD porter)
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