Bug#950926: ember: Using packages to install "snap" packages is not a correct use of the packaging system

[Erik Ogenvik]

As the main developer of Worldforge I'm perfectly fine with it being
provided as Snap instead of being part of the Debian base packages.
The way development happens makes it not well suited for Debians focus on
stability. We often need to make changes to the protocol that has changes
to the client and server happening in sync.
The Snap allows us to move more quickly, which suits this specific project.

sincerely Erik Ogenvik

Den lör 10 sep. 2022 kl 02:39 skrev Olek Wojnar <olek at debian.org>:

> Control: tag -1 = confirmed
>
> Thanks for reminding me about this bug, tobi! I guess a lot has been
> happening since February of 2020....
>
>
> On 8/27/22 08:11, Tobias Frost wrote:
> > User: tobi-rm-proposals at d.o
> > Usertags: rm-proposal
> >
> > (FTR, I also don't think that snap/flatpak/appimage should be pulled by
> an Debian package)
>
> So I did think about what Manuel said although life and world events
> distracted me from replying. I am now of the opinion that although I had
> the best of intentions and (at the time) logical reasons for doing so,
> packaging a Snap is an inherently bad and problematic concept. So, I
> agree with you. :)
>
> > I agree with Olek, Ember (and friends) were always hard to keep floating
> in Debian, so I can
> > understand Oleks' sentiment about maybe using snap… However this can be
> done by the
> > users themselves, there is no need to have a debian package doing so.
>
> Yes... But I got SOOOO much great packaging experience from that! ;) In
> all seriousness: yes, I agree, a user can install a Snap and it's a
> waste of time for package maintainers to do so.
>
> > So, maybe, it is time to let ember go and remove it from Debian?
>
> I'd really hate to see that happen but if the code isn't in a stable
> state soon then I'm not sure there will be much of a choice. I've
> reached out to upstream to inquire about the timeline. Depending on that
> response, I'll decide how to move forward. The Ember client hasn't seen
> a release since November 2019 and the Cyphesis server hasn't been
> released since October 2013. A lot has changed since then and neither of
> those releases is maintainable at this point.
>
> Either way, I've marked this bug confirmed because I now fundamentally
> agree with the issue.
>
> > It has no reverse dependencies, so it is save to do so.
> >
> > I'll reassign this bug to ftp.debian.org in 3 months, if there is no
> veto
> > in this bug.
>
> Let's try to figure this out sooner. :)
>
> -Olek
>