Bug#230756: nautilus: Should not change desktop settings (color, icons) when launched under a non-GNOME session)

[Karsten M. Self]

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on Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 09:53:23PM +0100, Lo?c Minier (lool@dooz.org) wrote:
>         Hi,
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> On Sat, Mar 05, 2005, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > >  That's a good idea; Karsten, would it be ok if launching nautilus fr=
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> > >  the Debian menu would do what you want? (ie. not hijack the desktop)
> > Yes.
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>  This will be the case with the next package of Nautilus.
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> > Upstream should *still* be fixed, however.
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>  Well, I think the discussion in the Debian BTS and upstream made it
>  clear that:
>  - it's not fully nautilus role to decide to manage the desktop or not
>    (it seems gnome-settings-daemon does this),

Since GNOME presumably knows its compliant WMs, if no compliant WM is
found, the behavior should not be present.

By way of analogy:  a tool capable of running either in an X11 or
console/batch mode should autodetect its environment, not rely on user
inputs (though it's welcome to accept and override automated behavior
based on user inputs).

>  - nautilus already implements way of overriding its behavior (with
>    --no-desktop and a gconf key),

Not sufficient.  This is going to be a constant support hassle for
Debian and other distros.  The proposed workaround address this
partially, for menu-starts, but not for cmdline invocation.

>  - nautilus is integrated in GNOME and complies to the GNOME HIG in
>    general, and hence focus on integration through the GNOME desktop,
>    not specially with other window managers than GNOME-compliant ones,
>    or with other environments such as KDE for example.

GNOME are welcome to their opions.  However they're not entitled to
freedom from warrented criticism of same.

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>  My personal conclusion is that this won't fix more upstream.

Your conclusion?  So did you not forward the bug upstream?  I'd *much*
prefer you did, as otherwise you've broken the feedback cycle.  If GNOME
aren't aware there's a problem they can't fix.  If they're aware of the
problem and _refuse_ to fix, well, then, that's their problem.

I'd prefer you not facilitate their reality denial.


Peace.

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