Bug#729576: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#645540: Bug#729576: duplicate of bug #726763

[Steve Langasek]

On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 08:51:58PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> On 28.12.2013 20:32, Steve Langasek wrote:
> >On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 07:31:46PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:

> >>After that gnome-shell and gdm3 should add a recommendation for
> >>systemd-sysv, since most people will want to use the functionality
> >>like suspend from menus, that needs systemd as PID 1, but
> >>occasionally some people may prefer to use sysvinit-core or upstart.

> >Absolutely not.  The desktop functionality is related to a set of dbus
> >services, which can be provided perfectly well on top of other init systems.
> >We need a proper solution here, not the GNOME packages forcing an init
> >system selection on all users.

> As it is, GNOME upstream decided to depend on systemd being PID 1.

No, they decided to depend on *a set of dbus services*.

> While I don't really like it, I do not know of any alternative that
> exists now, but, of course, you are invited to create one.

It exists, it's called systemd-shim and it's available in Ubuntu.  I will be
uploading it to Debian shortly.  Unconditionally recommending systemd-sysv
is absolutely the wrong thing to do here.

> Until that has happened, gdm3 and gnome-shell should recommend
> systemd-sysv to ensure that they work properly. You might not be
> aware of it, but this missing dependency has annoyed users (myself
> included) already, and there have been many bug reports about it
> (#726763, #729576, #731426, #731602, #731686).

I'm sure I'm more aware of the details of the situation than you are.

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