MATE chosen by default instead of gnome for blind people [Was: Debian Installer Stretch Alpha 6 release]

[Jude DaShiell]

On Mon, 23 May 2016, Mario Lang wrote:

> Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 08:05:30
> From: Mario Lang <mlang at debian.org>
> To: Michael Biebl <biebl at debian.org>
> Cc: debian-accessibility at lists.debian.org,
>     pkg-gnome-maintainers at lists.alioth.debian.org
> Subject: Re: MATE chosen by default instead of gnome for blind people [Was:
>     Debian Installer Stretch Alpha 6 release]
> Resent-Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 12:05:47 +0000 (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-accessibility at lists.debian.org
> 
> Michael Biebl <biebl at debian.org> writes:
>
>> Am 23.05.2016 um 00:30 schrieb Mario Lang:
>>> I would be very much interested in that.
>>> GNOME2 had nice things like a keyboard shortcut manual.  That already
>>> brought you 50% down the road.
>>
>> ?
>>
>>> blind people interact with a desktop.  If you can write a guide which
>>> explains how to use GNOME3 without a mouse, I think you would go a
>>> *long* way towards an accessibility guide.
>>
>> Have you read
>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html.en
>>
>> Is this documentation insufficient or were you simply not aware of it?
>
> I was not aware of it *and* it looks rather insufficient.
>
> I am quoting just one sentence, I hope it is clear why such
> documentation material is absolutely useless to end users.
>
> Under the heading "Blindness", select "Read screen aloud".
>
> "Quickly turn Screen Reader on and off
>
>   You can turn Screen Reader on and off by clicking the accessibility
>   icon in the top bar and selecting Screen Reader.
> "
>
> This sounds like a bad joke, sorry.  I am not going to dive further into
> this, it looks like a big waste of time.  This sentences violates two
> principle at once: It shouldn't refer to icons, and it shouldn't refer
> to their physical location on a screen a blind user will never see.  It
> is just a demonstration of the fact that at least some people in the
> upstream accessibility effort have absolutely not understood what
> accessibility is all about.
>
It's too mousecentric too, all kinds of problems with that when I worked 
for D.O.D. too.

>

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