Bug#1008493: gnome-control-center and gnome-settings-daemon version mismatch makes keyboard shortcuts fail

Daniel Kahn Gillmor dkg at fifthhorseman.net
Tue Mar 29 23:29:56 BST 2022


On Tue 2022-03-29 19:09:50 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
> Major GNOME components are expected to be upgraded together, except for
> when that's unnecessary. That is an unsatisfying answer, but unfortunately
> it's the only true answer.

Thanks for the clarification, Simon, even if it's unsatisfying.  It's
disappointing to hear that about GNOME: i'd have expected the project
overall to have taken more time to think about API issues given the
amount of ecosystem knowledge (and dependency hell scars) that i'm sure
exists within the active developers.

I do understand the tradeoffs between rigidity and fluidity that you
describe, and how you can get unmanageable delays on one end, and hidden
breakage on the other. That tradeoff is precisely why i'm inclined to
gravitate toward declaring something API-like, even between "internal"
components.  I tend to think that approach will give the best balance
possible on that tradeoff, but i also recognize that getting there
requires some significant engineering investment (in both tooling and
training) if that's not already established practice.

>> GNOME typically does a good job in handling a novice user's behaviors
>> well without hassling them with confusing technical arcana, but that
>> means that silent and complete crashes like the one observed here just
>> look like unrecoverable breakage to the normal user who doesn't know
>> anything about stderr or how to launch settings from the terminal.
>
> Sorry, but that normal user probably should not be using unstable.

Agreed, the normal user is most likely to use a released version of
Ubuntu, which as you said is shipping a mixed set of packages.  Yikes!

Thanks very much for your work on GNOME, Simon!

   --dkg
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