Bug#245204: gjdoc does not allow for java alternatives?!

[Grzegorz B. Prokopski]

Package: gjdoc
Severity: serious
Justification: major negative effect on usability of a package

Summary: Current gjdoc is broken in a way that it explicitely requires
kaffe to run. It does not work even with Sun's jdk. 

This bugreport has been sent here so that it was not forgotten and to
give the maintainer honors of closing it when the time comes :)

					Grzegorz B. Prokopski

On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 04:44, Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
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> "Grzegorz B. Prokopski" <gadek@debian.org> writes:
> 
> > Hi Arnaud,
> >
> > I've looked at http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gjdoc.html and got
> > thrilled by: Depends: gjdoc kaffe (not considered) Even though I could
> > not install new gjdoc (you should have received my separate email about
> > it) I decided to look into the sources:
> >
> > Depends: debhelper (>>4), kaffe (>= 1.1.4), libgnujaxp-java (>=
> > 0.0.cvs20040416)
> >
> > What!? Where did the | java1-runtime alternative go?
> 
> Yes, strange, but gjdoc does not work with gij neither with sablevm :'(
> 
> > Now seriously: I understand that you work a lot with kaffe and I
> > believe that you have tested this new gjdoc packages w/ kaffe to make
> > sure it works, but I strongly disagree with such setup of dependencies
> > because:
> >
> > 1. It does not allow a user to use any alternative JVM. What does
> > kaffe have that a JVM providing java1-runtime would not have? Not to
> > mention that you should also allow for java2-runtime alternative. In
> > this way it unnecessarily takes away users' freedom!
> 
> Man! gjdoc does not work with my IBMJ2sdk-1.1.4!
> 
> > 2. As for other packages that have been moved to main and have
> > explicit dependency on Kaffe - it is dangerous, because if kaffe does
> > not make it to testing before we start freezing Sarge, all these
> > packages will never make it! And I really want to have GJDOC in Sarge!
> 
> I know that and I tried to correct this after your first mail. Maybe
> sometimes I forget...
> 
> > I may file a bug with the above content, but I feel that sometimes it's
> > better to send things privately.
> 
> No problem, I know you and I make mistakes (well, often and a lot!
> ;-)). Please, file bugs, my Mozilla start page are planet classpath,
> planet debian, savannah and my Debian QA page ;-) So I look at my bugs
> everyday, it's a really good reminder.
> 
> > In particular, I admire the work that you've done to make it possible
> > for many packages to migrate to main.  But it looks like the
> > monocultural approach (that is, using Kaffe everywhere) has similar
> > negative effects we know from other places where we see monoculture.
> 
> Yes, I know that it's really bad, but hey, kaffe packager does a really
> good job, look at the current kaffe package, changelog.Debian! What a
> huge work! Well, look closer and search about the bug Ean claim to close
> (make the search in the changelog.debian itself!)... already closed! And
> when?... Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:09:40 -0600
> 
> haha!
> 
> So do not hesitate to file bugs, I'll re-upload the packages asap, but
> for gjdoc, there are some problems!
> 
> > You can not have Free Software when you take away choice.
> 
> Yep! I totally agree with you and I should send the bug reports before,
> sorry.
> 
> Many thanks for your pointers and once again, I don't take bug reports
> as an attack but as an advice and as a reminder.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - -- 
>   .''`. 
>  : :' :rnaud
>  `. `'  
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