[Pkg-javascript-devel] New JS team mailing list?

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Nilesh Patra (2022-03-25 17:55:33)
> On 3/25/22 9:09 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >> I actively want us to change. As the signal to noise ratio is 
> >> lowered due to tons of processing emails (and it is not only -my- 
> >> opinion)
> > 
> > I guess that by "processing emails" you mean those emails sent from 
> > Debian infrastructure to the Maintainer email address.
> 
> yes, things like "Processing of xxx_sourceonly.changes" Or bug 
> processing mails from BTS (like processing tags)
> 
> > Do you mean that you want an _additional_ mailinglist which is 
> > _separate_ from the address used in package Maintainer field?
> > > E.g. a -discuss list?
> 
> Yes, as an example we have 
> "debian-med-packaging at alioth-lists.debian.net" as maintainer address, 
> and "debian-med at lists.debian.org" for discussions.
> 
> Several teams have similar schemes.
> Those without a alioth list use tracker+<teamname>@debian.org as maint 
> address so as to reduce noise. Hope that helps clarify what I meant to 
> say.

Yes, understand you now.  Thanks for your patience.


> >> Also, alioth lists (like the current one) break DKIM signatures and 
> >> is a sort of a bummer since I see valid mails get to my spam folder 
> >> sometimes.
> > 
> > I was unaware that the Alioth list was broken.
> > 
> > I recommend that you report that issue to the mailinglist admins: 
> > The footer of https://alioth-lists.debian.net/ lists 
> > https://salsa.debian.org/alioth-lists-team/support as their 
> > preferred place to report issues.
> 
> I think it is already known for quite sometime. IIRC bugs.d.o and 
> alioth lists use similar mechanisms for mails.

Ah, you mean the SPF issue, affecting domains outside debian.org.

Yes, I am aware of that issue, and there is no need to report it, as 
there is nothing really to be done about it: It works as intended by 
design (and design of SPF is limited).


> >> But please note that there is already a bug for lists.d.o for a JS 
> >> team mailing list here[1] it has been a long time since, though.
> > 
> > Ah, right.  I vaguely rmember us discussing mailinglist structure in the
> > past, but I do not remember what was the conclusion of that discussion,
> > and it is not clear to me from that bugreport either.
> 
> Thread starts from here[3]
> Conclusion was to start with it if no-one objected; and IIRC, no-one raised any objections.
> 
> [3]: https://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/pkg-javascript-devel/2019-December/037619.html

Thanks!


> >> Since you moderate this list, it would make a lot of sense if you
> >> could follow up there and do the needful with respect to the
> >> procedure.
> >>
> >> [1]: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=946979
> > 
> > Sorry, I fail to see how my role as moderator for the current Alioth
> > list makes me any special regarding setup of additional lists - at
> > alioth-lists.d.n or at lists.d.o.
> 
> Since you moderate this list, I thought it would be nice if you would 
> be nice if you could also moderate lists.d.o, as current maintainer it 
> would be easier to collaborate with list admins (just a thought, not a 
> strong opinion)

I am not listmaster anywhere related to Debian (only on systems I host 
myself).

I am moderator for 13 lists at alioth-lists.d.n which is efficient for 
me since they all use mailman where I can comfortably do screening with 
the command-line tool listadmin.

Spam processing for lists.d.o is radically different, as documented at 
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam and (more brief 
but official) at https://lists.debian.org/archive-spam-removals/review/

I don't think I will engage in screening for spam at lists.d.o.

I don't see at https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list that 
my status as DD should have any special relevancy for creating a new 
list for our team.  What is needed is clear and accurate facts passed to 
listmasters when requesting - as documented very detailed.


 - Jonas

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