[Pkg-libvirt-maintainers] Bug#998090: why bugs involving systemd are so hard to get fixed ...

[Ron]

On Tue, 02 Nov 2021 15:34:01 +0100 Michael Biebl <biebl at debian.org> wrote:
> I tried to explain this to Ron on IRC, but he decided to ignore my advice.

Oh Please Michael, now you're just sounding like a child whose lolly has
fallen in the dirt ...

I did run the issue with (some) socket units and circular dependencies
past #systemd hoping for some sensible analysis of the problem, but all
I got was the same penchant to just sweep it under the nearest handy
rug.  What you seem to call "advice" was the same as here, just an
apparently willful effort to completely ignore everything I actually
wrote about the (several) problems here, and instead invent your own
problem that fit the answers in your standard divert blame kit ...

If you genuinely want to help here, actually read what I wrote, and
actually address the problems which should be very clear from the
analysis I wrote of it (or if they are not, I'll gladly clarify).

None of what I reported for libvirt or ifupdown are problems which
depend the bit-babbler udev rules to occur.  A quick search will find
you many people whose systems fell into the same holes these problems
create.  The problem space that each is separately subject to is created
in the domain of those packages.  There is no "one problem with one
quick answer" here (unless you count how easy it appears to still be
for people to accidentally create problems with systemd units, but I'm
not ranting about that, I'm trying to get concrete instances fixed).

I'm not going to give a long list of links here because I'm not
interested in rolling in the mud with you, I'm interested in making
packages I use a lot as robust and bug free as possible.  Except I
will highlight https://bugs.debian.org/899002 ...  In which you
showed the same complete lack of understanding of the problem - and
amusingly even argued *against* the very change to ifupdown, which
I've pointed out the one small rough edge that needs polishing, that
you now have flipped your position to say "Is perfect, don't touch it".

So can we please stop this side-show and actually look at the bugs
which I *did* report, not the invented one which I didn't ...

  Thanks,
  Ron