[SCM] ardour Debian packaging branch, master, updated. debian/2.8.11-1-2-geb65099

[Jonas Smedegaard]

On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 09:30:52AM +0200, Fabian Greffrath wrote:
>Am 04.08.2010 18:16, schrieb Jonas Smedegaard:
>>I care for Debian, which implies that I care for users of Debian.
>>
>>Ubuntu and other derivatives are users of Debian, and I care for them!
>>
>>I am open to contributions from any and all Debian derivative. Ideally 
>>all Debian-derived distributions would work together with us here at 
>>Alioth.
>
>I absolutely share and appreciate your opinion with regard to Debian 
>and its derivatives.
>
>>If you consider it more important than have me do tidying for that 
>>particular package, then sure - go ahead...
>
>But I must say that I disapprove this "We play my rules or else..." 
>attitude (which reminds me a bit of the to-CDBS-or-not-to-CDBS 
>discussion we had some weeks ago),

Yeah, they are similar in approach: I am very well aware that I have 
strong opinions on tight packaging while not wanting to impose those on 
others, so I make it clear what are my strong opinions but at the same 
time make it clear that if those are not sane to adopt as general 
principles for the team then I will simply go out of the way of the 
common team style of packaging.

That honestly is not meant as a threat.  It is meant as an offer to not 
have long tedious discussions about minor (to others than me) issues.

...but sure it might be experienced as such anyway.  Imagine if I were 
vegan and you were food lovers, and I wanted to hang out with you.  I 
would then leave the party every time the menu was meat (or mostly meat 
with the non-meat part not very interesting), and even though not meant 
as a thread or wanting to turn you all into vegans, it might still be 
felt a bit like that that I only want to hang out with you those times 
you happen to eat the kind of food that I enjoy too.


>because I believe this is not how team maintenance works. You are 
>perfectly right and ubuntuisms should be maintained in a separate 
>branch, but c'mon, this is about 10 bytes in a Recommends field. Please 
>don't be so stubborn. ;)

Size in not important to me. Principle of drawing a line is important.

I can elaborate on why, if you insist, but if not I will refrain from 
doing so to help avoid stirring a long tedious discussion about an issue 
which I suspect is considered minor to most in this team.


For this concrete issue, I have now learned that it really is not 
trivial to Ubuntu to build from a different Alioth branch, as I thought.  
So I will have a look at using the vendor tag approach.

I do *not* want to harrass or punish Ubuntu for needing different 
packaging than Debian.  I just want to draw a clear line on what is 
Debian and what is derived.


Kind regards,

  - Jonas

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