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[Jonas Smedegaard]

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 05:03:44PM +0800, Simon Wise wrote:
>On 18/08/10 02:21, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 01:22:27PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>>>On 17/08/10 12:30, Adrian Knoth wrote:
>
>>>openmovieeditor: Has a new upstream release from 2009, but the 
>>>project seems dead. Popcon < 1000.
>>
>>Movie editors have different target groups and there are not too many 
>>of them.
>>
>>I care for this, and will pour some love at it if noone else steps up 
>>in a day or two.
>
>>>stops: Definitions and instrument for aeolus. No upstream release 
>>>since 2007. Popcon < 200.
>
>>
>>>vkeybd: A virtual keyboard. No new upstream release. Popcon ~= 350
>>
>
>
>Those popcon figures are not low compared with figures for other audio 
>pkgs.
>
>Ardour has only 1/3rd of the openmovieeditor score.
>
>Possibly most audio users do not opt-in for popcorn?
>
>I do not believe audio on debian is dead, especially if all the 
>derivatives are taken into account!
>
>some egs..
>
>jackd1:           441 (i.e.. jack-audio-connection-kit)
>jackd2:           120
>rosegarden:      1059
>ardour:           275
>
>but...
>
>qjackctl: 	 2876
>libjack-jackd2-0: 937
>libjack0:       34966
>libjack-dev:     3039
>
>I don't think you can call rosegarden, ardour and jack dead because 
>of those numbers, the library and -dev numbers might suggest 
>something about the people who do opt-in to popcon?
>
>Or is it that most audio users are not using the debian pkgs yet, 
>because until fairly recently these all had much more recent .deb 
>versions available from outside debian ... the high libjack0 figures 
>may suggest something like that?
>
>With Squeeze getting much more up-to-date stuff (thanks mainly to the 
>efforts made here!!) this may well change.

Unofficial packages are included in popcon, so only when unofficial 
packages are packaged under different names do they not appear.

Libraries have a high hit due to their _potential_ use in many apps (not 
because jackd is somehow really installed but hidden on these systems).

Rosegarden is included in Skolelinux, who (I believe) have enabled 
popcon by default since many years, contrary to Debian.


Your initial observation that popcon numbers are generally low for 
(production) multimedia tools I agree with.

Skolelinux uses popcon to help decide which packages to *prioritize* on 
their Debian-derived (sub)distro.  I find it a sensible measure for 
that.

I find it wrong to use popcon to judge a package as irrelevant for 
Debian at all, as it is a _very_ vague measure for multiple reasons.


  - Jonas

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