adding a binary package to pd-cyclone

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Dec 27, 2010, at 4:09 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 02:09, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
> <hans at at.or.at> wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2010, at 6:34 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 14:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
>>> <hans at at.or.at>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 24, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 02:10:27PM -0300, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 00:27, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at 
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just pushed some changes to pd-cyclone that create a split-out
>>>>>>> binary
>>>>>>> package called 'cyclist'.  As far as I understand it, I don't  
>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>> ITP
>>>>>>> this new 'cyclist' package since its split off of the pd-cyclone
>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>> package, but it does need to go thru the NEW queue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'cyclist' is a command line utility for converting file  
>>>>>>> formats that
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> built as part of the 'cyclone' library.  Its the only thing in
>>>>>>> 'pd-cyclone'
>>>>>>> that installs into /usr/bin and has a man page, so it made  
>>>>>>> sense to me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> split it out.  Then it can be installed on its own without  
>>>>>>> puredata or
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> Pd libraries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its ready for a sponsor/uploader if you are ready for it. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems to me there isn't much point in having the cyclist  
>>>>>> binary
>>>>>> without pd. What is the use case of converting Max/MSP patches  
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> text, if
>>>>>> not for importing into pd?
>>>>>
>>>>> A search engine, perhaps?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It would be useful to Max/MSP users separate from Pd.  And  
>>>> perhaps also
>>>> useful to other computer music people.  The binary file format is  
>>>> really
>>>> only for Max/MSP, but the text file format is quite old, and used  
>>>> by a
>>>> number of other members of the Max family.  Pd and jMax for  
>>>> example,
>>>> which
>>>> are free software, and Max/FTS and Max/ISPW which are specialty
>>>> proprietary
>>>> versions of Max.
>>>
>>> OK. The Recommends on cyclist by pd-cyclone is not clear to me. If
>>> these tools have different use cases, then maybe recommends is too
>>> strong a relationship.
>>
>>
>> Since the central goal of the 'cyclone' library is for running Max/ 
>> MSP files
>> in Pd, and Max/MSP patches are usually distributed in the .mxb binary
>> format, I think it makes sense to Recommend: cyclist so that  
>> 'cyclone' users
>> can translate .mxb files to .pat/.mxt files, which Pd can directly  
>> read.
>
> So, if I understand correctly, pd users still need to run cyclist,
> even if they have pd-cyclone installed?


Yes, cyclist is only for converting the Max/MSP-specific binary .mxb  
format to the more widely implemented text format .mxt/.pat.  pd- 
cyclone is a library that allows Pd to act more like Max/MSP, but Pd  
only reads the .mxt/.pat format.

.hc


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