Bug#876096: closing 876096

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) (2017-09-18 16:16:47)
> On 2017-09-18 15:31, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quoting IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) (2017-09-18 14:42:19)
>>> what's the difference between the drumkits provided by the 
>>> "hydrogen-drumkits" package and the ones that can be downloaded via 
>>> the "free" feed?
>> 
>> The difference is that hydrogen-drumkits package provides our users 
>> with all the drumkits that Debian has to offer which are packaged, 
>> whereas the default Hydrogen feed provides our users with access to 
>> drumkits claimed to be Free licensed.
>
> so what's the difference?

In an ideal World with surplus of disk space and Debian maintainers, 
none.


> which drumkits are included in hydrogen-drumkits that are not "claimed 
> to be Free licensed" (regardless of RC#869180; even so all of the kits 
> included in hydrogen-drumkits are *claimed* to be under a free 
> license)?

If the addons.debian.net service provided non-free drumkits due to bogus 
metadata, that would be a bug in the service.


> which drumkits do you get by using the feed URL but not having 
> hydrogen-drumkits installed?

The drumkits listed in the feed.


> is this an issue about reducing downloaded data/disk space?

No, issue is that upstream mechanism to download addons include nonfree 
licensed addons.  As the title of the bugreport states.

You do indeed save disk space by imposing licensing rules, but that is 
not intended: I would very much appreciate us being able to fill the 
harddrives of our users with Hydrogen drumkits :-)


>>> why is the upstream URL being removed from the source-code? (rather 
>>> than just *adding* the only-free URL and making it the default?)
>> 
>> URL is replaced (not removed) because it contains non-free items.
>
> well, yes; my point was that the upstream URL is no longer there.

Ok.

> i'm with you that we should offer free data as the forst choice.
> i don't know why we should hide away the fact that there *is* non-free 
> data which might.

Aim of the bugfix is not to hide, but to address the bug.

I realize now that effectively I am also hiding knowledge about the 
upstream feed.  That was unintended!  I will add a README.Debian file 
documenting how Debian package deviates from upstream.


Full disclosure: I am hired by laptop maker Purism to help maintain 
their Debian derivative PureOS, which aims to achieve FSF endorsement 
and therefore at some places have aims not fully aligned with Debian 
aims.  FSF do arguably want to "hide" information about non-free stuff.

I choose to do most possibly of my work for Purism by improving Debian 
rather than forking from Debian - even though forking would be far 
easier, in part because I would then not need to defend my actions as I 
do now.

Thanks for being critical to my work here!


> all documentation (that i could find) silently assumes that the user 
> will be able to install the "official Hydrogen drumkits" from within 
> the application by clicking "Update List" in the "Import Library" 
> section.

Right.  Documentation exist (as first hit when I searched for "hydrogen 
drumkits" without quotation marks in DuckDuckGo) about _other_ feeds, 
but I failed to notice that the default feed is assumed to be hardwired 
and therefore not mentioned at those places.  Which kinda makes sense.

I will improve the fix.


 - Jonas

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