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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>>With TLS it should be no problem to have those weak ciphers in the list</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I dont agree with this.. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Due to weak crypters avaible and programs ( for example postfix ) offering them over TLS also cause problems. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Google for : postfix SSL_accept error from for example.. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>This is mainly due to RC4 and older programs which do not obey the crypter order list and things like that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The defaults from apache2 on wheezy are also not very nice.. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>By default the ssllabs test comes back with a C ! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>In this test i just enabled ssl and i did put my certificate in the config. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Result.. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>This server is vulnerable to the POODLE attack. If possible, disable SSL 3 to mitigate. Grade capped to C<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>This server accepts the RC4 cipher, which is weak. Grade capped to B.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>The server does not support Forward Secrecy with the reference browsers. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>This server supports TLS_FALLBACK_SCSV to prevent protocol downgrade attacks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>This server supports HTTP Strict Transport Security with long duration.<b> <o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So i did what was needed, now an A+ <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What im i missing .. people who use XP with ie6-8 java6.x <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>.. wel these are nowday so insecure i dont even want them on my servers. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Imo, its also our responibility to inform people about insecure settings. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Removing RC4 may not be an option, i agree in that yes. As told above already.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>But the new defaults should not include RC4 the programs defaults. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>And maybe a note somewere would be nice for these users. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>But thats just me as a user opinion. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>My professional opinion is remove RC4, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>low protected servers al mostly abused for doss atacks, sending spam etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Greetz, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Louis<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:120%'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>