It was actually me that originally steered that thread in the wrong direction. I was tired when I posted. I should of kept my mouth shut.<br><br>anyway...<br><br>I'll agree that Austin Ziegler is an anti-debian zealot but he's not relavant, he's not involved with RubyGems.
<br><br><span class="name">Eric Hodel on the other hand who is involved with RubyGems does seem open to evaluating patches and I think RubyGems is mature enough now that a workable solution is possible.<br><br>I'd like to take a look at this problem but the thing I need the most is a better understanding of Debian's Ruby packaging.
<br><br>Obviously I can start with the existing rubygems package but I was wondering if there were any other resource available?<br></span><span class="name"><br></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 21, 2007 9:24 PM, Lucas Nussbaum <
<a href="mailto:lucas@lucas-nussbaum.net">lucas@lucas-nussbaum.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br>
<br>1/ Mailing everybody like that is a bad practice. I'm dropping everybody<br>except the pkg-ruby-extras-maintainers mailing list. (others should read<br>the list anyway).<br><br>2/ Please read<br><a href="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?ordering=normal;archive=both;src=rubygems;repeatmerged=1" target="_blank">
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?ordering=normal;archive=both;src=rubygems;repeatmerged=1</a><br>Some of the issues are mentioned there.<br><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>On 21/11/07 at 15:39 -0600, Daniel Brumbaugh Keeney wrote:
<br>> There have been some rather heavy complaining on ruby-talk lately<br>> about how Debian packages rubygems.<br>> I don't know if any of you are on that, and I'm not involved in<br>> rubygems development, but it's a rather integral part of ruby
<br>> programming.<br>> It seems the key concern is the fact that RubyGems was modified<br>> without sending changes back to the rubygems developers,<br><br></div>Changes made to software packaged in Debian can be found easily, and
<br>AFAIK, nobody asked for them.<br><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>> and that they<br>> were made in ways that instead of making rubygems work with the way<br>> Debian installs RubyGems you made a version of RubyGems that only
<br>> works on Debian systems.<br><br></div>Please clarify. We packaged rubygems. Surely, the Debian Rubygems<br>package only works on Debian systems.<br><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>> Specifically, a number of issues seem to stem from this:
<br>> Debian added a hard-coded hack RubyGems to use /var/lib instead of<br>> using GEM_PATH and GEM_HOME.<br>><br>> "it is regrettable that Debian didn't instead add GEM_HOME to /<br>> etc/profile (or equivalent)"-from Ruby-talk
<br><br></div>Modifying /etc/profile is much uglier. Debian packages are not allowed<br>to do that. More than 20000 packages in Debian work properly without<br>this hack.<br><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>> And in case you're wondering, RubyGems developers are aware that
<br>> "environment variables is a lousy way to keep around configuration for<br>> programs"<br>><br>> However, that's the way RubyGems works, and changing it is going to<br>> cause problems.<br>
<br></div>Ah? Which problems? Rubygems was badly designed in the first place, and<br>now they try to impose their bad design to everybody. Nice.<br><br>Seriously, I started a discussion on ruby-talk recently about those<br>
issues. I mostly got flaming replies from Austin Ziegler, who seems to<br>only be interested in Debian bashing. I haven't seen the slightest sign<br>that Rubygems developers would be willing to improve Rubygems to make
<br>Distributions' life easier (and Debian isn't the only distribution<br>annoyed by this).<br><br>I totally lost motivation in working on those issues, and partly on<br>working on Ruby in general, since all the development decisions are
<br>taken on a mailing list in japanese. I don't see the situation in Debian<br>improving any time soon.<br><font color="#888888">--<br>| Lucas Nussbaum<br>| <a href="mailto:lucas@lucas-nussbaum.net">lucas@lucas-nussbaum.net
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