[Pkg-swan-devel] say goodbye to network-manager-strongswan?

Cyril Brulebois kibi at debian.org
Wed Jul 16 15:02:31 UTC 2014

Hi Riku, Holger,

Holger Levsen <holger at layer-acht.org> (2014-07-16):
> On Mittwoch, 16. Juli 2014, Riku Voipio wrote:
> > This a side-effect from Debian's policy that discourages fixing bugs in
> > other maintainers packages via NMUs. Somehow, it is felt better to
> > remove packages from testing than possibly offending the maintainer with
> > an unwarranted NMU.
> Huh, as I see it, this has changed and a.) NMUs to fix RC bugs are generally 
> very much encouraged and b.) NMUs to fix other bugs are also perceived much 
> better nowadays than "in some old days".
> Especially if the NMU is properly done (eg documented in the BTS, uploaded to 
> DELAYED-foo, etc) I've hardly seen any complaints in recent years.

I'd like to echo Holger's opinion. Back in ~2005 when I first started
contributing, it seemed (at least from a newcomer point of view) that
package ownership was a very important concept. Nowadays it seems
(almost?) everybody loves getting fixes in ones packages.

Part of the idea of getting packages removed early is trying to avoid
keeping cruft in testing, but also getting users to notice early when
packages aren't in shape, which can trigger their getting interested
in contributing (be it in one-shot or mid/long-term modes).

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