Bug#940840: systemctl --no-ask-password restart apt-daily-upgrade.timer hangs indefinetely

[Marc Haber]

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 03:39:24PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> I wonder if you used something like "systemctl
> preset" in the past

not that I am aware of, I have not idea what that command does ;-)

> > Yes, but I interpret this part of the man page as an information that I
> > might end up with a system that doesn't think that it's synchronized and
> > otherwise runs fine. It is is really meant to warn that the system might
> > be inhibited from finishing booting with unrelated systemctl calls
> > blocking indefinetely and upgrades stalling, this warning should be WAY
> > more explicit.
> 
> For me the man page is pretty clear, fwiw.
> If you have ideas for how to improve the man page, please consider
> filing an upsteam bug report.

Considering the way Upstream likes to write in their man pages when
their software fails to honor the robustness principle, I won't do that.

> > A new title for this bug report could probably be "using
> > systemd-time-wait-sync with non-systemd time sync services such as ntp
> > might lead to weird behavior and incomplete boots".
> 
> does
> "systemd-time-wait-sync blocks indefinitely with alternative NTP
> implementations, stalling boot and units depending on time-sync.target"
> sound ok?

Yes ;-)

> In any case, if you want the documentation improved or the behaviour of
> the service changed, you should best file this upstream. This doesn't
> look like a downstream, Debian specific issue.

Agreed. Things are going to stay like they are then. I don't have the
energy these days to stand being told by Upstream that I am holding
their baby wrong.

Greetings
Marc

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