[Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#477913: Bug#477913: Bug#477913: Bug#477913: tried it, of course

[Michael Biebl]

Sjoerd Simons wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 09:24:40PM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote:
>> Michael Biebl wrote:
>>> We will certainly get a flood of messages from (desktop)users, where 
>>> suspend is not working anymore (klicking on gnome-power-manager fails, 
>>> boo). Imho we should optimise for the common case, not the special case.
>>>
>> IMHO hibernate is the special case. In a network environment it is
>> pretty optimistic to expect that a suspended Unix machine could

On a networked server, sure. But on a laptop (over 50% of newly sold 
computers are laptops nowadays), I expect suspend/hibernate to work.

>> resume only 5 minutes later and find all external services unchanged
>> (on application level).
>>
>> But anyway, pm-utils can be kept optional, as I have shown, so why make
>> it mandatory for a "minority" of server systems that never will be
>> hibernated? Or maybe I'm unreasonable trying to install hal on a server?
> 
> We could potentially make it a Recommend instead of a Depend. Most package
> management tools should handle that correctly by now.

If we consider that, then earliest post-lenny, so we can rely on a apt 
version, which installs recommends by default. We also should first make 
sure, that d-i adds pm-utils to the laptop-task.
Unless that has happened, we shouldn't change the dependency.

> It's not unreasonable to install hal on a server, just rather odd. Hal is
> mostly used in very (hardwarewise) dynamic environments, which a server usually
> isn't. Just curious what on your server uses hal?

Wondering as well, especially as you complained about the size of 
console-tools (which isn't 5MB btw, but 913k for console-tools + 463k 
for libconsole).
Honestly, I also found the term "dependency hell", mildly exagerated :-O

Michael

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