[Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#540693: Bug#540693: closed by Michael Biebl <biebl at debian.org> (Bug#540693: fixed in dbus 1.2.24-2)

[Michael Biebl]

On 17.07.2010 19:58, Josh Triplett wrote:

>>    * debian/dbus.postinst
>>      - Stop restarting dbus system bus on upgrades as it breaks too many
>>        applications and is not supported by upstream in a sensible way.
>>        Instead trigger a reboot-required message using update-notifier.
>>        (Closes: #530000, #573386)
> 
> Ow.  Please consider reverting this.  Most applications seem to handle
> dbus restarts just fine, as long as everything attached to the bug
> doesn't get gratuitously restarted; the applications that don't should
> get fixed, and that will never happen with this change.  The first of
> those two bugs looks like it would go away now that dbus doesn't try to
> restart attached services like hal (and in any case hal has nearly
> passed into irrelevance at this point), and the second bug has no actual
> explanation for why dbus had timeout issues.
> 
> According to several references, the dbus API provides appropriate
> signals to applications that the connection has disconnected, allowing
> them to attempt to reconnect.
> 
> Just because some upstream developers have refused to consider this case
> does not make it unimportant, and dbus itself has the facilities to
> handle it, which correct applications do successfully use.
> 
> Please revert this change.

tbh, I'm tired of fighting this fight. In reality there are just too many apps
that break when you restart dbus, leading to a *very* bad user experience.
If you want to fight this battle, be my guest. For now, I don't see a way to
revert this, without getting many unhappy users. The sad truth is, that most
upstreams simply don't care.

If you are willing to work on this, just install a default GNOME install (with
gdm3) and then restart dbus and see what happens. If all that breakage that then
happens is fixed, I'm fine with reverting it, but not before.

In summary, I'm fine with reverting that change, as soon as the default installs
of KDE/GNOME/XFCE cope fine with dbus restart. Atm they simply don't. That's a
fact. Anyone who cares enough needs to step up and do the work.


Michael

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