[OT] Re: Heads up: removing OpenSER from Debian

Wed Apr 29 23:50:12 UTC 2009

Hello Daniela,

Well, clearly people who don't spend time writing the code have time to 
go to conferences, write e-mails and modify wiki's..
Other spend their time writing code, developing new projects, building 
things. Fortunately the history shows that even if both species survive, 
the last one writes it.

Regards,
Diana

P.S. Did you decided between Kamailio and sip-router.org?

Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On 04/29/2009 07:58 PM, Bogdan-Andrei Iancu wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> With respect to the purpose of this list, I consider it is out of 
>> topic to re-start the old OpenSER/OpenSIPS/kamailio story. There are 
>> too many delicate things to be consider here, and IMHO only the 
>> future (read years) will may sort this out.
>>
>> The OpenSER project was started by Voice System company
>
> I agree that makes no sense to restart the story, but you should 
> rephrase and tell the true. Remember who was behind Voice Sistem SRL 
> when openser started. You know that one of the owners at that moment 
> was all the time (and he still is one of the most important 
> developers, if not the most) with SER, never been with OpenSER. On the 
> other hand, one of the three that started openser was in no relation 
> with Voice Sistem SRL. I created the project on source forge, the 
> application it is defined by its source code that is still in the same 
> place from day one:
> http://openser.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/openser/
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/openser
>
>> and the OpenSER project got where it got thanks to the man-power and 
>> financial effort of this company.
>
> The two-men company contribution is far less than the contribution of 
> the community. It is opposite, company grew due to the project, there 
> was no investment from the share holders or other parties prior the 
> project or for starting the project.
>
>> So, VS is the one to be entitle as "father" of the project and 
>> credited with the "ownership" of the project.
>
> This is nothing but entirely false. Voice Sistem SRL was the umbrella 
> for the commercial activity of two people that worked in this project. 
> By level of contribution you can discover that is quite low comparing 
> with old SER codebase plus others contributions.
>
>> Maybe some people agreed to rename OpenSER to Kamailio,
>
> And you were one of them. Hope you remember the email you sent to the 
> board of the project on July 28, 2008.
>
>> maybe other (including Voice System)
>
> Voice Sistem SRL never agreed to rename. I am still owning 50% of it 
> at this time (as I did it from the end of 2005, which is after openser 
> was started -- Information about limited companies (SRL) is open for 
> anyone in Romania, therefore can be self-checked) and never had such 
> decision to rename to opensips. You couldn't do a decision alone with 
> the other 50%, so this is pure fantasy.
>
> By hijacking the domain name and use it for announcements, one may 
> fool some people but makes actions look pathetic. The true facts can 
> be discovered later.
>
>> renamed it as OpenSIPS (check www.openser.org btw).
>
> Others can check the www.openser-project.org, www.openser.net or 
> www.openser.com. Same name, but maybe not same thing. The new domain, 
> opensips.org is registered by private person, not by a company, as 
> opposite to openser.org.
>
> OpenSER project is in the same place since 2005, with whole 
> development history, and now it compiles to kamailio:
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/openser
>
> Be honest and say you decided to do a fork, you believe in it and work 
> to do things better. It is open source and anyone is entitled to do 
> forks from any other OS  application. It will help more your project 
> than trying to spread lies, which could look as short time win, but 
> definitely not long time. Apart of three developers that left Kamailio 
> after the opensips fork, the old team is still with the project, plus 
> new developers in the past months. Some highlights:
> http://miconda.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/kamailio-devel-team/
>
> The development continued in even more accelerated way after the fork, 
> with brand new functionalities:
> http://www.kamailio.org/mos/view/Kamailio-OpenSER-v1.5.0-Release-Notes
>
> That's from my side and hope made things more clear in regard with the 
> past. Now it's time to focus on future.
>
> Special thanks to Julien that in the past spent lot of his time to 
> make Debian integration and helped a lot to spread and improve the 
> project.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
>>
>> So, my suggestion is to drop the topic, especially that the judgement 
>> for it is not a matter of the package maintainers.
>>
>> In respect to the involved projects and people, I suggest (from 
>> Debian maintaining point of view) a very neutral approach: drop 
>> OpenSER packages with no migration (end of line) and add as new 
>> packages both OpenSIPS and Kamailio (of course if there is somebody 
>> willing to maintain them).
>>
>> just my 2cents in trying to move on with this in a decent way.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Bogdan
>>
>> Julien BLACHE wrote:
>>> Philipp Kempgen <philipp.kempgen at amooma.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>  
>>>> Should one of the alternatives "win" in Debian? Which one?
>>>>     
>>>
>>> It's a no-brainer: OpenSER was renamed to Kamailio. EOT.
>>>
>>> OpenSIPS would be a natural second choice if nobody was willing to
>>> package Kamailio.
>>>
>>> JB.
>>>
>>>   
>>
>>
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