[Pkg-zope-developers] Re: [Zope] A few questions...

[A Mennucc]

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On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 11:46:05AM +0100, debdev wrote:
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> sorry, I do not use and know ZEO well enough to help
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> I am sending a copy of this to the list: some people there use ZEO
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> a
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> On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 10:23:24AM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 10:13:04AM +0100, Fabio Tranchitella wrote:
> > > Il giorno mar, 25-01-2005 alle 15:33 -0700, Joel Aelwyn ha scritto:
> > > > [ Mail-Followup-To set; please *do* Cc me, as I do not currently   =
       ]
> > > > [ subscribe to the -python list, though it appears to be the proper=
 place ]
> > > > [ for Zope discussions, at least from what I can find in the archiv=
es.    ]
> > > > [ Please redirect me if somewhere else is more appropriate.        =
       ]
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> > > > So I have relatively recently taken over a Zope package, and while =
it is
> > > > now in (basically) good shape, there are a couple of technical poin=
ts I
> > > > want to clear up to make sure I'm doing it right, since what I can =
find on
> > > > the mailing list archives isn't entirely conclusive.
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> > > I think the right place for your email is the mailing list of zope
> > > debian packages developers [1], but the list seems to be almost dead.
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> > Allright.
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> > > > 1) Is it proper (assuming that the package works under both Zope 2.=
6 and
> > > >    Zope 2.7) to Depend on 'zope | zope2.7'? It seems like it should=
 be, but
> > > >    I wanted to double-check.
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> > > IMHO the dependency should be "zope2.7 | zope", so the newer version
> > > will be automatically installed if needed.
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> > Hmmm. I got the (quite possibly mistaken) impression that the 'zope2.7'
> > package was intended as a temporary situation, rather than 'zope' being
> > permanently stuck at 2.6 and all future Zope packages adding a new sour=
ce
> > package. I mean, I could see 'Zope3', given that a major revision is
> > allowed to break all sorts of things, but why split 2.7 into a separate
> > package?
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> > > > 2) Usage of debconf templates. The debconf manual (and the maintain=
er)
> > > >    seem to think that every package which uses the shared Zope rest=
art
> > > >    template needs to provide an identical copy.=20
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> > > My opinion on this issue is that for zope packages you do not use the
> > > shared template, just read its value in debian/postinst. For this
> > > reason, you haven't (and you shouldn't) provide the template: you'll
> > > never ask the user for that question so providing the template have
> > > really no sense, this just create additional work for the translators.
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> > > Here an example from one of my packages:
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> > > $ cat zope-cmfphoto-0.5.0/debian/postinst | grep "shared/zope"
> > >         db_get "shared/zope/restart" || true
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> > > If db_get fails (the package zope isn't installed, or the template
> > > hasn't been initialized, or something else) the "or true" prevents the
> > > maintainer script to return a bad exit code.
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> > Believe me, I understand the rationale. My issue is that this rationale
> > isn't, formally, supported by debconf. So I guess I should CC it to the
> > debconf maintainer for clarification.
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> > > So, why for the hell you provide the template in your package? :)
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> > Solely because "that's the requirement according to the debconf manual
> > and maintainer".
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> > > After this, I maintain a lot of zope packages. Packaging this type of
> > > software is quite easy, and often it is a repetitive job. For this
> > > reason I'd like to see a dh_zope debhelper script, so the packages=20
> > > (at least the easy ones) could get rid of their templates and their
> > > maintainer scripts. I know that Luca De Vitis started working on it,=
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> > > and I tried to mail him but I haven't received any answer so far.=20
> > > His last upload to zope package is on 2004, February. Does anyone=20
> > > know if he is still around?
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> > No argument here; some sort of dh_zope would be very handy, given that =
most
> > of the "weird" bits of packaging I had to do were Zope specific (things
> > like symlinks to move static images out of /usr/lib, or dealing with the
> > debconf stuff) that could easily be wrapped up in a dh_zope utility.
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> > Joel Aelwyn <fenton@debian.org>                                       ,=
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> Andrea Mennucc
>  "Ukn ow,Ifina llyfixe dmysp acebar.ohwh atthef"



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